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Hello gang,

Was writing some theoretical lists on Battlescribe and noticed that Fateweaver had the option to be a flier ace, which I hadn't previously given much thought to. Peeled open my Shield of Baal: Leviathan book, and read through the rules. My question here is, why isn't this a commonly seen option? It looks downright amazing to me. For reference, the flier ace rules allow you to roll on a d3 table for any flier or FMC for the cost of 35 points (not insignificant) but the bonuses seem amazing. The table is as follows:

1. Reroll failed to wound/pen rolls on Vector Strikes
2. +1 wound for the model
3. +1 invuln for the model

This seems absolutely amazing for fateweaver. A 3+ is a great boost for his durability, while a 1-2 isn't great but certainly can be useful as you always vector strike when able. Getting an extra wound is always useful, while +1 to his invuln makes him a 3++ base, and therefore super tough to handle. Cursed Earth alone will make him essentially unkillable. So, why is Flier Ace not an upgrade that I commonly see on Fateweaver? It looks great to me.

Fateweaver does not have the option for "Flyer Ace" on his codex entry, nor is it in the Curse of the Wulfen book, nor an FAQ or Errata.

This is probably why it doesn't come up often. Shield of Baal: Leviathan is a Nid/Blood Angel supplement, so why would a Daemon player consult that for the rules for his army?
It is a weird and somewhat awkward way of doing things, so most players just pretend like it doesn't exist.

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 Galef wrote:
Fateweaver does not have the option for "Flyer Ace" on his codex entry, nor is it in the Curse of the Wulfen book, nor an FAQ or Errata.

This is probably why it doesn't come up often. Shield of Baal: Leviathan is a Nid/Blood Angel supplement, so why would a Daemon player consult that for the rules for his army?
It is a weird and somewhat awkward way of doing things, so most players just pretend like it doesn't exist.

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That book had all the rules for all armies "Flyer Ace" rules. As far as I know they are still legit in being able to use them.

 generalchaos34 wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Fateweaver does not have the option for "Flyer Ace" on his codex entry, nor is it in the Curse of the Wulfen book, nor an FAQ or Errata.

This is probably why it doesn't come up often. Shield of Baal: Leviathan is a Nid/Blood Angel supplement, so why would a Daemon player consult that for the rules for his army?
It is a weird and somewhat awkward way of doing things, so most players just pretend like it doesn't exist.

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That book had all the rules for all armies "Flyer Ace" rules. As far as I know they are still legit in being able to use them.

I guess most people are just unaware of the rules, because they are 100% legal.

I wasn't saying it isn't legit, I was just making the point that it is an obscure rule that most players don't know about, or don't care enough about.
Most areas require you to own all the rules for you army, whether in hard copy or digital. Battlescribe doesn't cut it. So getting a whole extra $50 book just for 1 rule isn't very appealing, not to mention you might roll the crappy Vector Strike bonus.

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It's a good upgrade, but you can also do a lot with 35pts.

It doesnt look like much, but depending on your army and meta, Fatey might not be the biggest threat. Thus making him *potentially* more resistant might not be as good as getting something guaranteed like another mastery level on somebody, or getting more models in one of your important units, or getting more artifacts/rewards/options.

Personnaly, I know that the people I play against typically don't care much about him because I have bigger threats on the ground. It's mostly only player with flyers try that to kill him, and hopefully flyers are not a big thing right now in my meta. So with 35pts, I'm more likely to get more screamers, or plague drone, or just get more mastery levels on my heralds (if not a brand new herald). Even a new squad of 3 obsec nurglings is something I'll be more likely to get rather that upgrade.

The flying ace table is a great table for gamblers for all factions. GW deliberately structured the 1 on a d3 to be not worth 35 points, the 2 on a d3 to be worth about that amount of points and the 3 on a d3 to be a great deal. The problem is it's unreliable. That's why you don't see it often. Ask yourself how ok you would be with paying 35 points to change his vector strike, because that will happen 1/3 games.

Like it or not, even the casual gaming scene can be a reflection of the tournament scene, which above all values consistency. Also it's a pretty obscure book. If I didn't own tyranids, I might not even have known.

If you dont fancy gambling a lord of change with the impossible robes, as your warlord rolling on the tzeentch table AND the flyer ace gives you a good chance of getting a 2++ rerollable. You also have 2 psker levels to try and get cursed earth on malefic!

peirceg wrote:
If you dont fancy gambling a lord of change with the impossible robes, as your warlord rolling on the tzeentch table AND the flyer ace gives you a good chance of getting a 2++ rerollable. You also have 2 psker levels to try and get cursed earth on malefic!

You can also buy Mastery Level 3 for another roll on Malefic