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I've been reading rumors that the Crimson Slaughter have been killed off by GW. I was wondering if this is so and how.

I don't play Crimson Slaughter personally, but one of my friends and regular opponents does. It just seems weird that GW would make a new army, only to kill it off once players gave had time to build and paint an army around that fluff.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/701869.page

Read, and then judge for yourself.

To sum it up, no, they are not extinct. They are decimated, but not wiped out.

Thanks for the quick response!
I'm glad now that I didn't start a Crimson Slaughter army.
Although, I guess now it would be pretty easy and cost-effective to build:
HQ
15 marines
Hellbrute



...done!

I don't know what the original source actually says, but note that GoonBandito in his overview doesn't claim that the entirety of the Crimson Slaughter are present; any more than he claims that the entirety of the Black Legion are present.

They wouldn't kill off a Chaos Warband that they just released a supplement for now would they?

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 WarbossDakka wrote:
They wouldn't kill off a Chaos Warband that they just released a supplement for now would they?

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*Looks at End Times*
*Looks at Age of Sigmar*

Eh... probably not...

especially given said warband is supposed to be their new posterboy

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I don't know what the original source actually says, but note that GoonBandito in his overview doesn't claim that the entirety of the Crimson Slaughter are present; any more than he claims that the entirety of the Black Legion are present.

That is correct. Traitors Hate mentions that a significant portion of the Crimson Slaughter ("hundreds of chaos space marines" is the wording) take part in the assault, of which its mentioned only 15 make it out. How ever Kranon was circumspect enough to leave behind some of his forces to defend their Space Hulk, while other elements of his forces were engaged elsewhere (Severin Drask, the Sorceror Lord from the Execution Force board game is specifically mentioned).

It is still a crippling blow for the Crimson Slaughter though, and Kranon is especially unhappy that he was unwittingly used by the Black Legion basically as sacrificial pawns to die against the Blood Angels in order to "summon" Kharn and his Butcherhorde.

I'm sure that'll somehow come back to bite Abbaddon in the ass.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm sure that'll somehow come back to bite Abbaddon in the ass.

maybe GW's gonna try making a "crimson slaughter vs black legion" game box?

BrianDavion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm sure that'll somehow come back to bite Abbaddon in the ass.

maybe GW's gonna try making a "crimson slaughter vs black legion" game box?

A faction box featuring all chaos space marines? I personally think its kinda cool, but I am not so sure it would sell well because then the only people buying it would be Chaos space marine fans.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm sure that'll somehow come back to bite Abbaddon in the ass.

maybe GW's gonna try making a "crimson slaughter vs black legion" game box?

A faction box featuring all chaos space marines? I personally think its kinda cool, but I am not so sure it would sell well because then the only people buying it would be Chaos space marine fans.

yeah it'd be a risk but who knows

so what if they do?? this is what I don't get about some players, if GW kills off a faction, nothing stops you using your army, now throw chaos in the mix and it means even less, dead chaos marines can be brought back, I remember a small bit of fluff where a normal chaos marine died and in order to be reborn he had to crawl through a space no bigger than his body, in glass shards, it was pretty dark.

 Formosa wrote:
so what if they do?? this is what I don't get about some players, if GW kills off a faction, nothing stops you using your army, now throw chaos in the mix and it means even less, dead chaos marines can be brought back, I remember a small bit of fluff where a normal chaos marine died and in order to be reborn he had to crawl through a space no bigger than his body, in glass shards, it was pretty dark.

I think people are mostly suprised that it looks like GW effectivly killed off their new CSM posterboys.

could it be that Crimson slaughter where the fair haired children of someone whom is eaither no longer with GW or has greatly reduced influance?

BrianDavion wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
so what if they do?? this is what I don't get about some players, if GW kills off a faction, nothing stops you using your army, now throw chaos in the mix and it means even less, dead chaos marines can be brought back, I remember a small bit of fluff where a normal chaos marine died and in order to be reborn he had to crawl through a space no bigger than his body, in glass shards, it was pretty dark.

I think people are mostly suprised that it looks like GW effectivly killed off their new CSM posterboys.

could it be that Crimson slaughter where the fair haired children of someone whom is eaither no longer with GW or has greatly reduced influance?

Come to think of it, that claim may have merett.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
so what if they do?? this is what I don't get about some players, if GW kills off a faction, nothing stops you using your army, now throw chaos in the mix and it means even less, dead chaos marines can be brought back, I remember a small bit of fluff where a normal chaos marine died and in order to be reborn he had to crawl through a space no bigger than his body, in glass shards, it was pretty dark.

I think people are mostly suprised that it looks like GW effectivly killed off their new CSM posterboys.

could it be that Crimson slaughter where the fair haired children of someone whom is eaither no longer with GW or has greatly reduced influance?

Come to think of it, that claim may have merett.

It'd not be the first time in a game setting something like that has happened

Well, they had a live stream today. Even answered people from the chat. Not to mention the facebook faq draft and all that. Perhaps they are trying to listen to the community and they keep hearing legions, legions LEGIONS. I think I'll just let that sit here for a while.

Roknar wrote:
Well, they had a live stream today. Even answered people from the chat. Not to mention the facebook faq draft and all that. Perhaps they are trying to listen to the community and they keep hearing legions, legions LEGIONS. I think I'll just let that sit here for a while.

seems pretty likely to me, especially given that apparently the traitor's hate fluff apparently consists of "so.. the crimson slaughter was just a warm up for the chaos legion main course"

BrianDavion wrote:
I think people are mostly suprised that it looks like GW effectivly killed off their new CSM posterboys.

Except they didn't - as already noted in this very thread - The Crimson Slaughter didn't deploy all of their forces to Diamor.

They're no more 'killed off' than the Crimson Fists were.

I never liked crimson slaughter. I wished they made more legion codex besides Failbaddon's Blacker than Black Legion.

Which legion represents Noise Marines? If there are none then call it the 11s for being 1 volume louder than 10s.

Crimson Slaughter are huge. One of their narrative missions focuses on 100s of marines dieing raiding a loyalist geneseed bank so thousands more can be created.

 CadianGateTroll wrote:
I never liked crimson slaughter. I wished they made more legion codex besides Failbaddon's Blacker than Black Legion.

Which legion represents Noise Marines? If there are none then call it the 11s for being 1 volume louder than 10s.

Noise Marines are descendants of Kakophoni, the Emperor's Children 3rd Company.

 CadianGateTroll wrote:
I never liked crimson slaughter. I wished they made more legion codex besides Failbaddon's Blacker than Black Legion.

Which legion represents Noise Marines? If there are none then call it the 11s for being 1 volume louder than 10s.

I'd have lvoed to see a codex for another traitor legion. Iron warriors would be a great excuse to add a ton of new deamon engines

Well traitors hate is basically an iron warriors supplement in all but name.

Not really; it's more a 'generic legion' supplement. You can easily use it to represent and of the Undivided legions and/or world eaters.

Yes, it has a daemon engines and obliterators/mutilators formation, but other legions do that too.

Terminator teleport strike is very much a traditional Black Legion thing, and massed cultists more a Word Bearers/Alpha Legion thing.

Equally, a rule built around the Chaos Boons rule isn't terribly iron warriors-esque.

The one recognisable bit is the World Eaters - if you want to use non-daemonkin khorne forces, this is the book to start with.

The book has knights, squadrons of vindicators and predators, an oblitertor formation, TWO daemonengine formations, a vehicle formation and a khorne formation. It even has a vehicle based discipline. That makes it mostly Iron warriors in my book. The boons could be interpreted as upgrading their bodies.
Without actual legion based rules/units everything we get is always generic, but this has such an emphasis on vehicles that it strikes me mostly as iron warriors.

The Vindicator/Predator squadrons, the Vehicle Formation and the Vehicle Psychic Discipline are all basically copies of the equivalent stuff that Loyalist Space Marines get.

Considering there is 0 mention of the Iron Warriors in the book, the formations and detachment in the book are meant to represent the Crimson Slaughter, Black Legion and Kharn's Butcherhorde forces from the campaign.

 GoonBandito wrote:
The Vindicator/Predator squadrons, the Vehicle Formation and the Vehicle Psychic Discipline are all basically copies of the equivalent stuff that Loyalist Space Marines get.

Considering there is 0 mention of the Iron Warriors in the book, the formations and detachment in the book are meant to represent the Crimson Slaughter, Black Legion and Kharn's Butcherhorde forces from the campaign.

There's 0 mention of Word Bearers in the Crimson Slaughter supplement but it works for them rules-wise. Do you need it specifically say IRON WARRIORS?

Right, I'm not saying it doesn't work for Iron Warriors. It does. It can also be used to represent Black Legion, Word Bearers, Crimson Slaughter/generic undivided warband or a Khorne/World Eaters force. You can even use it mostly represent a Tzeentch/Nurgle/Slaanesh force, though through the use of the Marks and not anything specific to that alignment.

It's hardly an "Iron Warriors Supplement in all but name" as someone above was claiming though.

 GoonBandito wrote:
The Vindicator/Predator squadrons, the Vehicle Formation and the Vehicle Psychic Discipline are all basically copies of the equivalent stuff that Loyalist Space Marines get.

Considering there is 0 mention of the Iron Warriors in the book, the formations and detachment in the book are meant to represent the Crimson Slaughter, Black Legion and Kharn's Butcherhorde forces from the campaign.

Yes, well, csm are well known to have rules that reflect the fluff right? Crimson Slaughter got what exactly? They can't even use the possessed formation. There isn't a single characteristic Black Legion formation in TH that they didn't already have in their own supplement. Well, maybe if you count the daemon engine formation, but that still has more of an IW vibe than BL if you ask me. And that's not kharns butcherhorde either. That has its own dataslate which actually requires kharn. This one allows you to take a generic lord.
So yea, the formations and all might have been supposed to reflect those, but In table-top terms? It's about as Iron Warriory as it gets for csm standards.

Of course, since CSM are so generic and bland atm, all of the formations work for all legions/Warbands/cults to some degree. I'm just saying that IW are getting the most new fluffy toys out of TH.