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Hey all, I wanted to get into 30k but couldn't bring myself to do Marines and then I stumbled upon Millitia. I was hooked.

Ive always had a soft spot for scout sentinels, catachans, and that over the top 80s action movie type bravado. I know the sculpts are bad, and I know GW is not stocking some of them any more however Id love to do a planetary militia based on catachan to use in 30k.

Here are a few questions about feasibility.

I plan to use the +1 T and +1 sv provenances. I want a few squads of grenadiers, and an AP 3 heavy flamer squad in the gorgon. A few infantry squads and then some tanks and HS to fill it out. I can handle the tanks and HS (just paint them catachan colors!) but I am worried I will run out of bits for what I need because GW wont be selling catachans much longer. Id also like to use a lot of the Catachan special characters to fill in characters in the army.

For Grenadiers I want to use scion bodies with catachan heads and maybe arms. Ill use the volley gun as the rotor cannon and the other guns as they are.
Ill use the regular catachan troop kit for my bodies of troops.
Here is where it gets tricky. What can I use for my heavy weapon flamer squads? Just a single model flamer from the kits or does it need to look bigger to represent the two wounds? Maybe just increase base size...
What can I use for the order medicae if the command squad isnt being sold anymore?
Commissars?
I want to use Straken as the leader (forgot his name)
Where is a good fit for the Marbo model?

Thanks for the help!

Also if you havent guessed this is going to be a fluffy and fun army. I know it wont be super competitive but more fun for me.
Harkar.... I was going to put him in a squad of Ogryns and have him count as one but that squad isnt that good. BS2 is so bad. Thoughts on where to use him?

I think that if Coronel Straken is the force commander Marbo could be the Platoon commander. The militia does not have many options Force Commander (0-1), Rogue psyker (only with the mutant provenance) and Platoon commander.

If you want to be loyal to the aesthetics one of the two provenances must be "feral warriors" (+1 ws) and the other one could be "elite warriors" (+1 Ld). But, of course, there are more competitive options.

I would use catachans for all the slots in the army, you could put 2 catachan boxes as compulsory troops (infantry squad), the snipers (reconaissance squad), the heavy supports team (fire support squad).

And with the command squad you could make the command platton squad. That would be an excellent core for the army (4 troops and 2 HQ).

Expand with Sentinels and Ogryn and you will have an awesome and thematic army.

And finally, the last touch I would do an Arvus lighter with the chasis from a stormtalon (an apache).

Awesome idea for the Apache. Never thought of that. I figured abhuman zealots would work for Catachans because they are so muscly but Id be willing to concede on the armor one.

Am I SOL for the command box being sold by GW?

I can recommend a commisar..
http://wargameexclusive.com/shop/imperial-soldiers/female-commissar/
She adds a certain something to an HQ choice, i've got one and she looks the business.

Harker I think that could be a member of the Platoon command squad, like Marbo. But if you feel really creative you could proxie Marbo, Harker or both as assassins (eversor, maybe). There were assassins in the heresy, in fact there is a novel named Nemesis in what they are main characters.

 Justycar wrote:
Harker I think that could be a member of the Platoon command squad, like Marbo. But if you feel really creative you could proxie Marbo, Harker or both as assassins (eversor, maybe). There were assassins in the heresy, in fact there is a novel named Nemesis in what they are main characters.

I had NO idea they were assassins in the heresy. Can you take assassins in 30k? Im LOVING this idea.


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 SirDonlad wrote:
I can recommend a commisar..
http://wargameexclusive.com/shop/imperial-soldiers/female-commissar/
She adds a certain something to an HQ choice, i've got one and she looks the business.

Im digging this model but I am not sure it fits the theme. I think like a big busty chick in fatigues with maybe a ripped tank top. Some 80s ish lady commissar to give the men some fighting spirit!

For the two-wound heavy flamer you use a 60mm base with two normal infantry models on it, like the other heavy weapon teams. The extra wound just represents the fact that "IG" heavy weapons have two-person crews. As an example, you might have one model carrying the flamer and one carrying extra fuel tanks, or one with a single-person heavy flamer and the other with a lasgun providing covering fire.

 Peregrine wrote:
For the two-wound heavy flamer you use a 60mm base with two normal infantry models on it, like the other heavy weapon teams. The extra wound just represents the fact that "IG" heavy weapons have two-person crews. As an example, you might have one model carrying the flamer and one carrying extra fuel tanks, or one with a single-person heavy flamer and the other with a lasgun providing covering fire.

I think the same, the most appropiate would be two guards with a heavy flamer or two flamers in a large base.

And about the assassins, they have very important place in the background of the Heresy, one of them killed Curze. Altought only because Konrad want to die to demonstrate the corruption of his father and the Empire (like Coronel Kurtz in Apocalypse Now). But, furthermore, they have they own novel:

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nemesis_(Novel)

In that novel, six assassins, one from each known cladus (vindicare, culexus, eversor and callidus) and two more (vanus and venenum) are send to kill Horus. Their forms and weapons are the same that 10.000 years later. But, they don´t have rules in the heresy games yet.

I think that if you don´t play competitive the lack of official rules in the heresy is not a problem. You could proxie Marbo and Harker as assassins and fit well with the theme and rules of your army. And probably, in the future we will see Heresy assassins, the next book is focused in more agents of the emperor (custodes and sisters)

use the 40k assassin rules, its pretty simple, just make sure you take them as "agents of the emperor" allies.

Honestly Id like to use the 30k rules as much as possible. Ill find some use for them though.

Well, you're definitely fine using catachans.
Collected visions shows a catachan unit as one of the imperial army pictures, so Catachan was clearly settled and producing troops even in M.31.

Ive always had a soft spot for scout sentinels, catachans, and that over the top 80s action movie type bravado. I know the sculpts are bad, and I know GW is not stocking some of them any more however Id love to do a planetary militia based on catachan to use in 30k.

Wait! GW stopped producing the plastic catachan command squad? When did that happen?

I plan to use the +1 T and +1 sv provenances. I want a few squads of grenadiers, and an AP 3 heavy flamer squad in the gorgon. A few infantry squads and then some tanks and HS to fill it out. I can handle the tanks and HS (just paint them catachan colors!) but I am worried I will run out of bits for what I need because GW wont be selling catachans much longer. Id also like to use a lot of the Catachan special characters to fill in characters in the army.

Fair enough narratively. Abhuman Helots & Gene-crafted are an expensive pairing, but you'll end up S4, T4, I3 - not bad, but not amazing.

A Merchant Princeling AP3 heavy flamer unit is a vey nice option and great for marine-murdering. Good call. You WILL need a Gorgon to get them anywhere without them being shot to hell because marine players react badly to being told "this squad has 10 AP3 heavy flamers" for some reason.

Defintiely agree on two flamer models.

For that matter, I've seen multiple infantry on a large base used as ogryn brutes. It looks quite good.

In Heresy, the BS2 means ogryns are very much a melee unit - and if you're taking +1S +1T that goes double for the ogryns. Take Carapace armour and a decent mix of power weapons and boarding shields (and a discipline master and discipline collars because your leadership sucks!) Essentially, for militia: Bullgryns good, regular ogryns bad.


EDIT: The catachan command squad is listed as "temporarily" out of stock. Given that GW explicitely does mark up "no longer available" (like the single heavy weapon teams) and has a "last chance to buy" section, I'd be pretty hopeful that "temporarily" means what it says.

thekerrick wrote:I plan to use the +1 T and +1 sv provenances.

Abhuman Helots (+1T) is a great idea - especially as you can give them Stubborn for 20pts, which feels very Catachan. However, giving them SotDA to get +1 Save seems like the LEAST Catachan thing you could do. They're wearing the least armour of any guard army, and that provenance gives them all carapace armour saves, with the grenadiers getting power armour!!

I think you're much better off with something like Gene-crafted, Warrior Elite or Feral Warriors. Much more Catachan (their durability comes because of their toughness and Ld, not their armour) and your Grenadiers are still wearing Carapace (like the models are).

thekerrick wrote:I had NO idea they were assassins in the heresy. Can you take assassins in 30k? Im LOVING this idea.

Definitely around, but no rules yet. I'm sure there will be some at some point, though!