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Hi all,

I was thinking about the idea of this Inquisitor fighting fire with fire and using chaos power to fight xenos/chaos. As far as i read Oblationists and Xanthisms are two most redical faction in this matter. One will know it will bring doom, and other one is more optimistic about the end result. But regarding web sources i cannot really find specific information what really are the limits or examples how chaos power is used.

My issue is that i love the empire just like that, but i feel the appeal of demonic powers combining army of inquisitior + chaos + small private army (ig) would give me prolly the feeling i'm looking for but i really want it to have it's strong place in the fluff. So would true radical summon lesser/greater demons to aid in the fight? I've read about summoning for small talks but nothing about fighting regardless of demonic hosts.. Other topic are chaos space marines warbands, some work as mercenaries, would they use them? Are there any fluff examples or good sources to learn about what true radical would and wouldnt do?

I think allying with Chaos Space Marines would really be crossing a line, way beyond what even the most radical inquisitor would dare to do. CSM are Excommunicate Traitoris - they betrayed and turned against everything the Emperor and the Imperium held dear, and any loyal Imperial citizen would put a bullet in anyone allying themselves with them.

First welcome to team Xanthism. You might want to read up on the Relictors.

Even they have to toe some lines. And be careful.

More out of safety... If too obvious you draw another ordo to your trail.
That's not what you want.

I highly recommend finding a copy of The Radical's Handbook, as it goes into exceptional detail of the reasons and methods involved in radical members of the Inquisition.

 jhe90 wrote:
Even they have to toe some lines. And be careful.

More out of safety... If too obvious you draw another ordo to your trail.
That's not what you want.

Also, unrestrained warp power/daemons will blow up in your face. They have to perform tons of rituals and take lots of safety measures to restrain the powers they call on, and even then the safety measures are imperfect and they get tainted over time.

This is very different from how most chaos worshipers use chaos. Most chaos worshipers let the forces of chaos rampage unrestrained, and try to appease it so they don't get washed away in the tide (there are exceptions, like the Iron Warriors, who use methods more similar to a particularly reckless and amoral Xanthite). The unrestrained power of chaos is more powerful this way, but much more dangerous. The person is no longer controlling warp forces, the warp forces are controlling the person. If a Xanthite/Oblationist turns to these methods, they have truly fallen and even their fellow Xanthites/Oblationists will consider them excommunicate traitoris.

The most common tools of these type of radicals seem to be daemonhosts and daemon weapons. There are a whole host of other warp and daemon infused artifacts & machines they can choose to try to exploit too, if they feel it's worth the risk. More puritanical leaning radicals have a few things they can do too, such as deliberately possessing someone and then exorcising the daemon, leaving the person traumatized but resistant to the effects of chaos if they survive (the entire Exorcist space marine chapter works on this principle). There's also sorcery, which is basically rituals that allow someone to access psychic abilities beyond what they normally could by pulling power from warp entities.

Some radical Inquisitors will actually work with chaos cults, convincing the cultists they're on their side to achieve the Inquisitor's goals. Siding with Chaos Space Marines would probably be too much for all but the most radical and extreme Inquisitors though. Chaos Space Marines are considered quite a bit worse than normal chaos worshipers. Probably something to do with them leading the war that turned the Imperium's god into a vegetable...

I read the elisihorn books. Quite abit on em

I know a chaos host can be powered Down, or far less restrained depending on your aims.

Even a thrice bound host is extremely powerful. Yeah, radicals seek to control chaos, some what a oxymoron.

Yep, reading some iron warriors books, they infavt don t rely totally on chaos and consider it fickle at best. Shells, slaves and sieges are far more practical and real.

Yeah. By time you consider CSM workable with, you might as well call yourself Chaos.

I think allying with Chaos Space Marines would really be crossing a line, way beyond what even the most radical inquisitor would dare to do. CSM are Excommunicate Traitoris - they betrayed and turned against everything the Emperor and the Imperium held dear, and any loyal Imperial citizen would put a bullet in anyone allying themselves with them.

Depends on the circumstances. And the Marines in question.

There are renegade marines who are essentially pirate mercenaries, after all, and have no interest in the chaos gods. Why not hire them any less than human pirates or desperados?




The Eisenhorn series as a whole is a good one for the descent into radicalism.

Yeah. It shows how the fact is. The turn is slow.

You do not relise until way too late. By then the path is set.
He first uses chaos as a last resort but that barrier begins to lower.

And lower until the end. A radical.

The limits are quite simple really.

-Rule 1 Don't die.
-Rule 2 Don't lose control.
-Rule 3 Get rid of the puritan spies.

Rule 4
Bind your deamon hosts correctly.

Ok so this cannot be done with still goody goody Inquisitor and my only option is already/soon-to-be excommunicated one hiding even from true radicals. So his "space friends" could me some chapter similar to soul drinkers i think or some more mercenary warband not really worshipping chaos but also playing with chaos to get an edge in fight against xenos etc.. would that make sense fluff wise?