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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/09/30 07:53:01
Subject: [3000] - Space Wolves - Iron Wolves
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
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3000pt tournament army. The idea here is to overload the opponent with armoured targets. No ObSec, but some decent bonuses and about 300 points in free vehicle upgrades
Iron Wolves
Wolf Guard Battle Leader - The Armour of Russ, Wolf Claw & Powerfist - 130
5 Wolf Guard Terminators - 2xT.Hammer & S.Shield, 2xPair Claws, Assault Cannon & Powerfist - 255
Land Raider Crusader - Multimelta, Stormbolter, H.K. Missile, extra armour - 250
5 Blood Claws - 1xFlamer, 1xPower Axe - 80
Razorback - Twin-linked assault cannons, extra Stormbolter, H.K. Missile, extra armour - 55
5 Blood Claws - 1xFlamer, 1xPower Axe - 80
Razorback - Twin-linked assault cannons, extra Stormbolter, H.K. Missile, extra armour - 55
10 Grey Hunters - 5xCCWs, Power Axe, 2xMeltagun - 185
Rhino - extra Stormbolter, H.K. Missile, extra armour - 35
10 Grey Hunters - 2xCCWs, Power Axe, 2xPlasmagun - 189
Rhino - extra Stormbolter, H.K. Missile, extra armour - 35
5 Grey Hunters - 3xCCWs, Power Axe, Meltagun - 101
Stormwolf - 2xTwin-linked Multi-meltas - 215
2 Land Speeders - Multi-melta & Typhoon Missile Launcher - 100
5 Long Fangs - 2xMissile, 2xLascannon - 145
Razorback - Twin-linked Lascannons, extra Stormbolter, H.K. Missile, extra armour - 55
Spear of Russ
Iron Priest - 55
Land Raider Redeemer - 240
Predator Annihilator - Lascannon sponsons - 140
Predator Destructor - Heavy Bolter sponsons - 95
Brethren of the Fell-Handed
Bjorn the Fell-Handed - Assault Cannon, True Claw with Heavy Flamer - 220
Venerable Dreadnought - Fenrisian Great Axe & Blizzard Shield - 145
Venerable Dreadnought - 2xTwin-linked Autocannons - 140
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- 10,000+ (since 1994)
- 5000 (since 1996)
Harlequins/Ynnari -2500
Empire - 3000 (Current build)
Dwarves - Old and desperately in need of updating |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/09/30 09:00:49
Subject: [3000] - Space Wolves - Iron Wolves
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Kind of surprised you're not dropping all your Grey Hunters for Land Speeders.
Land Speeders in an Iron Wolves formation are just ridiculously good - stupidly cheap, fast, deep strike capable, force your opponent to fight on more fronts than they can handle.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/09/30 12:47:53
Subject: [3000] - Space Wolves - Iron Wolves
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
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You don't think feet on the ground are valuable?
How about if I reduce the size of the grey hunter packs and add more razorbacks? Automatically Appended Next Post: How about this?
Dropped the plasmagun grey hunters entirely. Dropped the large melta squad to 5 but upgraded their rhino to a razorback
Added another blood claws squad, a whirlwind (which was originally in the list but cut for points), and another pair of land speeders.
Swapped the WGT assault cannon for a heavy flamer to juggle points
Also, not married to the razorback weapons if you think something else would be better.
At this point I'd need to buy another razorback and another 2 speeders (first list required just 1 new razorback). Oh and both lists require a new predator, but I kinda want to get that anyway
Iron Wolves
Wolf Guard Battle Leader - The Armour of Russ, Wolf Claw & Powerfist - 130
5 Wolf Guard Terminators - 2xT.Hammer & S.Shield, 2xPair Claws, Assault Cannon & Powerfist - 255
Land Raider Crusader - Multimelta, Stormbolter, H.K. Missile, extra armour - 250
5 Blood Claws - 1xFlamer, 1xPower Axe - 80
Razorback - Twin-linked assault cannons, extra Stormbolter, H.K. Missile, extra armour - 55
5 Blood Claws - 1xFlamer, 1xPower Axe - 80
Razorback - Twin-linked assault cannons, extra Stormbolter, H.K. Missile, extra armour - 55
5 Blood Claws - 1xFlamer, 1xPower Axe - 80
Razorback - Twin-linked assault cannons, extra Stormbolter, H.K. Missile, extra armour - 55
5 Grey Hunters - 3xCCWs, Power Axe, Meltagun - 101
Razorback - Twin-linked assault cannons, extra Stormbolter, H.K. Missile, extra armour - 55
5 Grey Hunters - 2xCCWs, Power Axe, Meltagun - 99
Stormwolf - 2xTwin-linked Multi-meltas - 215
2 Land Speeders - Multi-melta & Typhoon Missile Launcher - 100
2 Land Speeders - Multi-melta & Typhoon Missile Launcher - 100
5 Long Fangs - 2xMissile, 2xLascannon - 145
Razorback - Twin-linked Lascannons, extra Stormbolter, H.K. Missile, extra armour - 55
Spear of Russ
Iron Priest - 55
Land Raider Redeemer - 240
Predator Annihilator - Lascannon sponsons - 140
Predator Destructor - Heavy Bolter sponsons - 95
Whirlwind - 65
Brethren of the Fell-Handed
Bjorn the Fell-Handed - Assault Cannon, True Claw with Heavy Flamer - 220
Venerable Dreadnought - Fenrisian Great Axe & Blizzard Shield - 145
Venerable Dreadnought - 2xTwin-linked Autocannons - 140
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/09/30 13:07:08
- 10,000+ (since 1994)
- 5000 (since 1996)
Harlequins/Ynnari -2500
Empire - 3000 (Current build)
Dwarves - Old and desperately in need of updating |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/01 09:33:15
Subject: [3000] - Space Wolves - Iron Wolves
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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I don't think feet on the ground are as valuable as they used to be.
Unless they have obj sec Land Speeders have the same objective control as any troops choice and are usually better at getting to the most important ones while they're still important.
I like your current list - Don't forget dozer blades for all your Razorbacks and there's a cool vid on YouTube regarding Tank Shocking in 7th ed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/01 11:27:32
Subject: Re:[3000] - Space Wolves - Iron Wolves
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I agree with Dakka Wolf, Land Speeders trump Grey Hunters in this formation.
How do you want to play this list? There are a few things which I think could be improved depending on your goals.
An effective strategy that I have found is to include an allied daemons detachment. When you take a Herald of Nurgle with the Doomsday Bell you are tank shocking enemies at -3 leadership. It's priceless when you run half of your opponents army off the table. I've played this against a Tau gun line and they weren't impressed
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/01 15:08:49
Subject: [3000] - Space Wolves - Iron Wolves
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
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Dakka Wolf wrote:I don't think feet on the ground are as valuable as they used to be.
Unless they have obj sec Land Speeders have the same objective control as any troops choice and are usually better at getting to the most important ones while they're still important.
Point accepted
Dakka Wolf wrote:I like your current list - Don't forget dozer blades for all your Razorbacks and there's a cool vid on YouTube regarding Tank Shocking in 7th ed.
Do you think people get finicky about modelling these in an Iron Wolves formation? I didn't include them because I don't have them. The issue is I don't want to spend a whole heap of $$$ on buying a bunch of Forge World dozer blades for one minor situational rule in just one tournament
JakeSiren wrote:How do you want to play this list? There are a few things which I think could be improved depending on your goals.
Goal is performance in a tournament. My friends group has decided to ignore free points rules for friendly games, so this list is designed for competitive play
JakeSiren wrote:An effective strategy that I have found is to include an allied daemons detachment.
Friendly or tournament I'm certainly not going to entertain HERESEY!
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- 10,000+ (since 1994)
- 5000 (since 1996)
Harlequins/Ynnari -2500
Empire - 3000 (Current build)
Dwarves - Old and desperately in need of updating |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/01 17:06:08
Subject: [3000] - Space Wolves - Iron Wolves
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karlosovic wrote:JakeSiren wrote:How do you want to play this list? There are a few things which I think could be improved depending on your goals.
Goal is performance in a tournament. My friends group has decided to ignore free points rules for friendly games, so this list is designed for competitive play
Fair enough. Well something I would consider is the purpose of the power axes. Each of those units are going to have to weather a turn of shooting before they even make it into combat. In addition the axe is unwieldy; which given the squad size is unlikely to strike against anything except the softest targets. If you could find 25 more points you can field 2 more Land Speeders which would more than make up the ap2 that you would miss out on in those squads.
Likewise, what is the purpose of the upgrades on the Grey hunter squad with the Storm Wolf? If they Hunters are foot slogging then it is unlikely they will use their Melta. If they are going to deploy out of the Storm Wolf then you are likely making it a lot easier to kill the Storm Wolf by delivering a sub par unit. I think you would be better off by having one of the blood claw units taking the Storm Wolf and maximizing the squad size. Throw in your battle leader and you have a nice CC unit with a good delivery platform.
With your Long Fangs I would consider replacing them with 2 units of 2 MM Long Fangs in Rhinos for the same points cost. This allows you drive the Long Fangs up table first turn and provide a nice area denial on subsequent turns. You can even leave them in the Rhino and have them be effective. They will be a big enough threat that your opponent can't ignore them, but not valuable enough that they will want to shoot at them.
karlosovic wrote:JakeSiren wrote:An effective strategy that I have found is to include an allied daemons detachment.
Friendly or tournament I'm certainly not going to entertain HERESEY!
Lol, can't argue with that
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/02 00:51:27
Subject: [3000] - Space Wolves - Iron Wolves
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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karlosovic wrote:Dakka Wolf wrote:I don't think feet on the ground are as valuable as they used to be.
Unless they have obj sec Land Speeders have the same objective control as any troops choice and are usually better at getting to the most important ones while they're still important.
Point accepted
Dakka Wolf wrote:I like your current list - Don't forget dozer blades for all your Razorbacks and there's a cool vid on YouTube regarding Tank Shocking in 7th ed.
Do you think people get finicky about modelling these in an Iron Wolves formation? I didn't include them because I don't have them. The issue is I don't want to spend a whole heap of $$$ on buying a bunch of Forge World dozer blades for one minor situational rule in just one tournament
If you still have some plastic sprue frames hanging about dozer blades are pretty easy to make, I glued a metal plate to the front of all my Rhino chassis and magnetised all my dozer blades. Automatically Appended Next Post: Messed up the quoting system. Oh well, make your own blades and magnetise them.
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