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So I had to fight this list and I'd like to ask you wether or not, provided the list I had, you'd be able to win and with which tactic.

(MY list)

-Megaboss on mawkrusha.
-Warchanter.

3 blocks of 10 arboyz
3 blocks of 3 gruntas.
1 block of 5 brutes.

They were split in two ironfists.


(HIs list)

-Tirion and teclis (yeah, it was FUN to fight against a 2+ save that ignored normal rend)

-40 spearmen in a block.
- a Seahelm.
-an annointed
- 2 blocks of 10 phoenix guard.
-2 bolt throwers.
-10 silver helms.
-5 elyrian reavers.

The guy in question complained about me being able to charge in turn 2... apparently my needs to be thrown 80+ at before I can retaliate. I still lost, quite soundly and would like to know what would you like to do.
I mean... it was miserable to play against, specially fighting tyrion (something he didn't seem to grasp) when he came back to life... regarding which, there's any FAQ when it comes down to tyrion? He said that A) He could attack and B) my megaboss, who still had like half his attacks left, couldn't touch him (as he had technically died)... it was a bit sketchy and really wanted to make me call it considering how much damage he had soaked up.

After saves, you assign wounds one at a time, when Tyrion is assigned his 6th wound you roll a dice and on a 2+ he is restored to full rather than dying. You then continue to assign any remaining wounds. Assuming he survives, the games continues on as normal with Tyrion at his new wound total.

As for what I'd do; not play that person again, seems like a jerk.

[edit] Also, I'd honestly call cheating since Tyrion's warscroll explicitly states "he is not slain" so the argument that he can't be targeted from being dead is either outright cheating or excessive enough negligence that it should be considered such. Not to mention a total TFG move.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
After saves, you assign wounds one at a time, when Tyrion is assigned his 6th wound you roll a dice and on a 2+ he is restored to full rather than dying. You then continue to assign any remaining wounds. Assuming he survives, the games continues on as normal with Tyrion at his new wound total.

As for what I'd do; not play that person again, seems like a jerk.

Honestly he... isn't that bad (considering how In ended reacting and getting angry at his lack of manliness-and annoying/obnoxious voice- and overall making the battle as un-engaging as possible) but I'll give you that the next time he does bring the two brothers I'm packing. It was no fun AT ALL (he still tried to shield himself by saying it was his third match). He didn't seem to grasp that dealing my mawkrusha was different that killing tyrion: I lost wounds quite frequently while it took literally a third of my army for two fifhts of the games to kill him (bloody thorn he was). And let's not speak about him saying that apparently teclis didn't do anything when he alone dealt a third of the wounds (at least) to the megaboss and killed a whole bunch of guys: between his spell and arcane bolt he killed like a dozen of my models (which means he recovered the point cost before factoring the effects of arcane shield). Apparently his list was "friendly" and totes not competitive (certainly it's no skryrefire but there's plenty of combos in there).

Overall I'm angry but apparently it's because I'm only happy when I win (which considering I quite liked my defeat against dispossesed-though the opponent graciously called it a tie, as we had been quite close-isn't THAT true) though it may be to keep the guy happy (he seems a bit... dunno, I'm going to be utterly rude and use the word mental deffiency or something like that, I feel there's something along those lines)

Your opponent sounds extremely unpleasant to play against, and as NinthMusketeer said I think his interpretation of Tyrion's special rule is... lacking. I 100% agree with Ninth's interpretation.

I also want to point out that your opponent was fielding a 2040 point army. I'm sure he justified it to himself with "well it's only a little bit over" but the points limits are there for a reason. Allowing overage makes it easier to just have everything you want and not have to make sacrifices.

All that being said, I think you probably could have won the game, although it would be a tough fight no doubt.

He has some shooting, but not an extreme amount. His army is still mostly close combat. He also has a high model count. Your army is extremely fast and hard-hitting.

As a general rule, I'd be looking to engage him on as narrow a front as possible. If you can engage in a local space where numbers are relatively even for a turn or two, your eliteness will give you a huge edge in those combats. You should be able to use your superior speed to accomplish this -- don't just charge headlong into the mass of his infantry. Attack where you can gang up on part of his army.

If given the opportunity, I would prioritize killing the Seahelm and Teclis. Both are squishy and provide a lot of benefit to their army. It's pretty unlikely that you'll be able to do this, but maybe you can.

I'd also try to prioritize charging his Silver Helms if possible. They are much more dangerous on the charge as they not only get a bonus for charging but will likely have their full unit intact. If you can charge them and strike first, you will probably reduce them below 10 AND they won't get their charge bonus, allowing you to butcher them.

It's unlikely that you will be able to attack the RBTs but do it if you can.

When you have to fight Tyrion, get as much mortal wound and -2 rend on him as possible. His save is disgusting but he only has 6 wounds. Hopefully you took the artefact that gives your megaboss a 4+ ward against mortals -- that will really help him out against getting withered by Teclis.

Those are my initial thoughts, will add more later if I think of anything.

swarmofseals wrote:
Your opponent sounds extremely unpleasant to play against, and as NinthMusketeer said I think his interpretation of Tyrion's special rule is... lacking. I 100% agree with Ninth's interpretation.

I also want to point out that your opponent was fielding a 2040 point army. I'm sure he justified it to himself with "well it's only a little bit over" but the points limits are there for a reason. Allowing overage makes it easier to just have everything you want and not have to make sacrifices.

All that being said, I think you probably could have won the game, although it would be a tough fight no doubt.

He has some shooting, but not an extreme amount. His army is still mostly close combat. He also has a high model count. Your army is extremely fast and hard-hitting.

As a general rule, I'd be looking to engage him on as narrow a front as possible. If you can engage in a local space where numbers are relatively even for a turn or two, your eliteness will give you a huge edge in those combats. You should be able to use your superior speed to accomplish this -- don't just charge headlong into the mass of his infantry. Attack where you can gang up on part of his army.

If given the opportunity, I would prioritize killing the Seahelm and Teclis. Both are squishy and provide a lot of benefit to their army. It's pretty unlikely that you'll be able to do this, but maybe you can.

I'd also try to prioritize charging his Silver Helms if possible. They are much more dangerous on the charge as they not only get a bonus for charging but will likely have their full unit intact. If you can charge them and strike first, you will probably reduce them below 10 AND they won't get their charge bonus, allowing you to butcher them.

It's unlikely that you will be able to attack the RBTs but do it if you can.

When you have to fight Tyrion, get as much mortal wound and -2 rend on him as possible. His save is disgusting but he only has 6 wounds. Hopefully you took the artefact that gives your megaboss a 4+ ward against mortals -- that will really help him out against getting withered by Teclis.

Those are my initial thoughts, will add more later if I think of anything.

Unfortunately I didn't because I didn't know he could resurrect, so I went for battle brew to ensure 1st turn kill. Had I would have chosen so. ALAS the map was fairly open (no narrow front unfortunately), he got first turn (so he got 2 rounds of shooting before I could do ANYTHING) and my saving rolls were just utterly dreadful. He still saw fit to ram tyrion into my megaboss with a 2+ save.
I did charge the silver helms (and killed the seahelm) but honest to god I didn't have the manpower to deal with them AND a 10 man block of phoneix guard.

Yeah, bad rolling can always sink you pretty much no matter what.

You don't necessarily need terrain to hit on a narrow front -- just depends on how your enemy's units are deployed. Hitting on a "flank" or basically any spot where there happen to be fewer models at that point in time can be very advantageous. Basically you want to get into a situation where it will take multiple pile-in moves for your opponent to get the majority of his troops into contact.

swarmofseals wrote:
Yeah, bad rolling can always sink you pretty much no matter what.

You don't necessarily need terrain to hit on a narrow front -- just depends on how your enemy's units are deployed. Hitting on a "flank" or basically any spot where there happen to be fewer models at that point in time can be very advantageous. Basically you want to get into a situation where it will take multiple pile-in moves for your opponent to get the majority of his troops into contact.

Unfortunately his army had been deployed in a line, with 70+ models it gets a bit hard to hit the flank. So as I'm seeing I couldn't have done anything. Now, if the mawkrusha hadn't gotten stuck and could have ran for the boltthrowers but my rolls had been abysmal and his were better than average (using GW's battle dice.)