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I am thinking about putting together a GK army because I quite like the style of their army, but this puts me in an awkward position: I am a strict follower of chaos, even my orks and space marines have chaos background to them.

So I have come up with a plan, I want to theme this army around the story of the silver knight in the Daemons codex. The background will go that this converted knight lured a team of GK's into Slaanesh's realm with promises of slaying the chaos god once and for all. But, of course, it was a trap. Now Slaanesh is ecstatic with the idea of turning these 'unbreakable' warriors against their former brothers.

I am also thinking of putting together a homebrew of the GK codex; just swapping a few rules around so they are less hostile to Daemons and more so to the ordo Malleus. I am stuck however on how far I should intergrate chaos into the codex: should I just keep it the GK codex with a few changes and make chaos allies or should I look into intergrating marks of chaos and chaos artifacts?

I have a couple of questions though:
1. Would people (in a friendly environment of course) be apposed to playing chaos Grey Knights?
2. Are there any suggestions to add either to the fluff or the rules to these chaos GK's?

This is a project I have been mulling over but I haven't really started yet (properly), any advice will be welsomed.

I have seen a really good Thousand Sons army that was converted and counted as Grey Knights. The army used the rules for GKs, but was entirely Thousand Sons in theme.
I also have a friend who wants to use some of the Age of Sigmar Nurgle models as "count as" Grey Knights, basically using the Plague Knights as GK termies and the Maggot Lords as DKs. He is even using the Glottkin as an Imperial Knight.

So is it possible? Sure. Slaanesh is also the most likely to be "jealous" of other Daemons, therefore all the anti-Daemon rules could still be fluffy. You could either go the "GK's lured into a trap" route (see Draigo sniffing that Warp dust again), or just say they are buffed up Emperor's Children.....or both.

I don't really have anything to add about homebrew rules. Given that tallies, even Come the Apoc allies, are allowed, you can pretty much do whatever you want within the established rules.
As long as you put in the effort to model them up, you can say they are just about anything and people will be fine

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OP: I am a troll

 greyknight12 wrote:
OP: I am a troll

I want to make a conversion army of chaos grey knights using suggestions from the fluff that the GK's are not truely uncorruptable as the bases for the background.
I then asked nicely whether the dakka community could give me a couple of suggestions of how to carry out such a conversion.

I realise that this is a touchy topic when it comes to many GK fans but do you really have to jump to an immediate assumption that I am a troll?

I'd say probably not to face a Chaos Grey Knight fan army. Full conversion like-for-like I would play against, but to me you'd just be using cool proxies. But if you wanted to put your own rules in and I'd actually have to play ''Chaos'' Grey Knights rather than ''Chaos in a Grey Knight coating'' then I'd be against it.

The reason I'd be against it is because I don't like the idea of the corrupted Knight being diluted to become a strike force. I'm a fan of the theory that the corrupted Knight is actually Kaldor Draigo as such not a fan of ''Kaldor Draigo and buddies''.

On the other hand if you made an awesome looking conversion of a Slaaneshi Grey Knight Brother Captain and provided me with a data slate for him with unique characterful rules (ala Be'Lakor or Cypher) then I'd be happy for him to be battle brothers with Chaos and Daemons lead by a Warlord with Mark or Daemon of Slaanesh.

A single powerful data slate model added onto a Chaos or Daemon army would be just as characterful and fluffy without running the risk of being as polarising as a whole Strike Force of Chaos Grey Knights because, as you've said, a single Knight in Grey armour is in the fluff.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
I'd say probably not to face a Chaos Grey Knight fan army. Full conversion like-for-like I would play against, but to me you'd just be using cool proxies. But if you wanted to put your own rules in and I'd actually have to play ''Chaos'' Grey Knights rather than ''Chaos in a Grey Knight coating'' then I'd be against it.

The reason I'd be against it is because I don't like the idea of the corrupted Knight being diluted to become a strike force. I'm a fan of the theory that the corrupted Knight is actually Kaldor Draigo as such not a fan of ''Kaldor Draigo and buddies''.

On the other hand if you made an awesome looking conversion of a Slaaneshi Grey Knight Brother Captain and provided me with a data slate for him with unique characterful rules (ala Be'Lakor or Cypher) then I'd be happy for him to be battle brothers with Chaos and Daemons lead by a Warlord with Mark or Daemon of Slaanesh.

A single powerful data slate model added onto a Chaos or Daemon army would be just as characterful and fluffy without running the risk of being as polarising as a whole Strike Force of Chaos Grey Knights because, as you've said, a single Knight in Grey armour is in the fluff.

Thanks for the advice. I might start off with just a grand master conversion then and maybe move onto other units later.

 mrhappyface wrote:

1. Would people (in a friendly environment of course) be apposed to playing chaos Grey Knights?

Some would I guess. I remember someone asking here about Chaos Tau and getting answers that Chaos Tau are lame because fluuufff and GW says so (Imo the only thing that could be called lame in Chaos Tau is the Tau part when on its own heh, and Chaos Tau is gundams/ evangelions from hell, where's my wallet goddamnit)

Anyway, you shouldn't care, because what is really lame is droping the 40k idea that you like because people/ official fluff. Go for it, it's beautiful.

I think you will get a far better reception if you make an army of Chaos Space Marines using Grey Knight rules to represent some lost elite-style legion. "Corrupted" Grey Knights makes about as much sense as Khorne handing over his Skull throne to Slaanesh, or Nids going on a diet, or Orks going on a passive peace rally.
Are GKs truly incorruptible? No, but not enough of them could be corrupted to make a viable force

At best, you could say that the GKs in your force have been "tricked" into seeing other Imperials as Daemons and seeing Daemons as other Imperials. This is the realm of Tzeentch, however, not Slaanesh. Specifically the Changeling

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 Galef wrote:
Are GKs truly incorruptible? No, but not enough of them could be corrupted to make a viable force

That sounds like a challenge

But I understand where you are coming from, the responses in this thread have convinced me to start out with the grand master conversion (although I might branch out to a full army at some time).

 Galef wrote:
I think you will get a far better reception if you make an army of Chaos Space Marines using Grey Knight rules to represent some lost elite-style legion. "Corrupted" Grey Knights makes about as much sense as Khorne handing over his Skull throne to Slaanesh, or Nids going on a diet, or Orks going on a passive peace rally.
Are GKs truly incorruptible? No, but not enough of them could be corrupted to make a viable force

At best, you could say that the GKs in your force have been "tricked" into seeing other Imperials as Daemons and seeing Daemons as other Imperials. This is the realm of Tzeentch, however, not Slaanesh. Specifically the Changeling

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This.

Purely game-wise, I would not care if you painted/modelled your Grey Knights to be Chaos-ified. That's just the game. If it was a narrative event, where the fluff was important, I'd be less okay with it, seeing as it's pretty much the GK's shtick to be "incorruptible", making the case of the silver knight (which isn't fully confirmed to be a Grey Knight) the rare and special case it is. An army of this would be Mary Sue, IMHO.

As for making homebrew rules, no. Seeing as said rules would warrant a fluff explanation, I would not like it. Have GK models, yes, and fluff them to be elite Emperor's Children wielding those weapons and psychic powers, but not Grey Knights. That is akin to peace-loving Orks, Emperor-worshipping Chaos Marines, or civilised Tyranids.

Another fluff idea you could roll with is a Slaanesh Herald who has watched Draigo for centuries mimicking a GK Grandmaster and taking over a small company of GKs, using some form a Glamour to affect what the GKs see. The GKs think they are fighting Daemons, but actually they are fighting other stuff.

It's your fluff, you can have singing Nids, loyalist CSM and peace loving Orks, actualy. Won't be the most popular story/ army in the community but who cares.

Either you actually like the idea and already have some models to show us proof of concept or you just want to rile up the GK fans.

 Quickjager wrote:
Either you actually like the idea and already have some models to show us proof of concept or you just want to rile up the GK fans.

I do like the concept, however I have not bought the models yet: any 40k player knows you do not simply buy every model that looks nice or you would be out of pocket. If I am going to put in the effort to convert an army I would also like to be able to field such an army in order to (not to sound bigoted) show them off. So right now I am deciding whether to get a single brother captain to use as a chaos lord or whether to go for a full army of either 'chaos' Grey Knights or counts as CSM.

How would you model it? Slaneesh disfigures quite a lot, you potentially might lose all identity with the conversion.

 Quickjager wrote:
How would you model it? Slaneesh disfigures quite a lot, you potentially might lose all identity with the conversion.

I hope to keep the general shape and look of a grey knight underneith, but perhaps adding some spikes and tentacles onto some of the less conspicuous parts of the model, i.e. spikey shoulders, tentacles protruding from under his cape, perhaps even converting his staff into a lash of slaanesh...
As for colour scheme I originally thought black and pink as per emperors children however, as you have said, it would lose the identity of a grey knight. So now I am thinking of more a graduating colour scheme from the silver of his original armour on his right to a twisted pink and black armour on his left. The latter colour scheme would be incredibly difficult to pull off but I think I could give it a go.

Let's be fair here, he wouldn't have to do much, just a paint scheme and a little bit of filing goes a long way. The first idea that popped into my head when you suggested Slaaneshi Grey Knight was Kaldor Draigo's helmeted model with Sigvalds Slaaneshi shield.



Might not be fully compatible as I don't know the sizes but I'm dam well sure you could convert an awesome Grey Knight from Sigvald and a Grey Knight helmet and a different sword arm.