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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/12 10:11:32
Subject: Rules clarification relsted to the alpha legion rite of war
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I'm thinking about starting an alpha legion army and I want to use their rite of war, but I don't want to have to use infiltrate or 3 squads of 10 marines in rhinos as the first one is an inferior version of raven guard and the second is also ineffective as extra marines and apothecaries are what make the tactical squads useful.
So my question goes: If i put my tactical squads in stormhawks do they fulfil the rite of war reqirements? And if they do, do I actualy have to deep strike them or is their ability to deep strike enough?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/12 10:29:31
Subject: Re:Rules clarification relsted to the alpha legion rite of war
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What I've seen some people do, is to run 2 10 man tactical in rhinos with art armour and pintle MM for objective holding. Then you go for a large assault squad (minimum 15) and tooled up with power weapons, art armour etc with an apothacary
And no, you don't need to deepstrike anything, the requirements is just that they must have the option for doing it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/12 10:45:32
Subject: Rules clarification relsted to the alpha legion rite of war
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But is it possible to run tacticals in a stormhawk and fulfil the RoW requirements? They aren't infiltrating, aren't in a dedicated transport and can't deepstrike, but they are in a transport that can. Does this fulfil the requirement of "having to have the ability to deep strike"? I really like the stormhawk model
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/12 11:05:25
Subject: Re:Rules clarification relsted to the alpha legion rite of war
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I presume you mean storm eagle rather than stormhawk?
I'm leaning towards that stricly RAW it wouldn't fufill the requirements, but I can say I would be more than happy to play against it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/12 11:53:13
Subject: Re:Rules clarification relsted to the alpha legion rite of war
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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Stormhawk doesn't have a heresy-era profile which makes taking it a no-go.
You can't take them as a LOW choice either - the mechanicum red book section on units from other publications specifically states that these units can only come from forgeworld's 'imperial armour' range of books and the original crusade army list says the units must be available to the army it is being chosen for.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/12 11:59:39
Subject: Rules clarification relsted to the alpha legion rite of war
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I meant the storm eagle. I don't know the difference between a hawk and an eagle so i get those two mixed up.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/10/12 12:09:49
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/12 15:57:30
Subject: Rules clarification relsted to the alpha legion rite of war
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
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Strictly speaking no, the Storm Eagle wouldnt count because it is not a Dedicated Transport.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/12 16:06:21
Subject: Rules clarification relsted to the alpha legion rite of war
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Well that's the thing. I'm not looking to fulfil the part that says that the squad has to be in a dedicaded transport. I'm looking to fulfil the part where it says that the squad has to be able to deep strike. If the storm eagle has the ability to deep strike, and the tactical squad can be transported inside of it, dosen't that mean that the tactical squad also has the ability to deep strike, so long as the tactical squad is deployed inside of it?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/12 17:44:21
Subject: Rules clarification relsted to the alpha legion rite of war
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
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Can you deploy a Squad inside a vehicle that isn't their Dedicated Transport?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/12 18:23:02
Subject: Rules clarification relsted to the alpha legion rite of war
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Yes you can deploy in a non-dedicated transport.
What you can't do is deploy a squad in another squad's dedicated transport, but that isn't an issue here.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/12 18:28:56
Subject: Rules clarification relsted to the alpha legion rite of war
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
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Then I wouldn't see an issue with OP putting his Tac Squads inside Storm Eagles for the start.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/12 20:54:35
Subject: Rules clarification relsted to the alpha legion rite of war
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Personally I would say no if doing it myself. The tac squad does not have the ability to deep strike or infiltrate on its own. Therefore the list is illegal. The fact you plan on putting them in a deep striking vehicle happens after the fact. I wouldnt raise a stink about it though, it really isnt that big a deal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/13 03:25:42
Subject: Re:Rules clarification relsted to the alpha legion rite of war
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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Therefore the list is illegal. The fact you plan on putting them in a deep striking vehicle happens after the fact.
I have to agree, the Rite of War section on p17 does say the decision to use a RoW should be taken at the beginning of list creation. Though I feel the tone of that line is more like advice it does seem to imply you take on the limitations of a RoW from the very start and the way Coils is written is that units without DTs or the ability to deep strike can't be chosen at all. They're off the list selection entirely so you can't get a tac squad in a storm eagle.
Some of the other RoWs (Raven Guard, etc) do make specific allowance for troops in flyers so if they had wanted to allow flyers they could have used that specific clause.
I wouldnt raise a stink about it though, it really isnt that big a deal.
Same here, the exact steps to list construction and how they interact with RoWs is not well written and I couldn't really blame someone interpreting it the other way. I don't think it gives a huge advantage and it does make sense that an army of infiltration specialists might want an airborne insertion onto the battlefield.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/13 05:45:44
Subject: Re:Rules clarification relsted to the alpha legion rite of war
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ScarletRose wrote:Some of the other RoWs (Raven Guard, etc) do make specific allowance for troops in flyers so if they had wanted to allow flyers they could have used that specific clause.
This. Other RoW explicitly state "deep strike, or begin the game transported aboard a vehicle that may deep strike" or similar equivalents for other transport types. No such option is granted here, so deep striking aboard a transport (whether dedicated or not) does not meet the condition. The infantry unit itself must have the deep strike rule.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/13 08:02:12
Subject: Rules clarification relsted to the alpha legion rite of war
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Thanks guys for all your responses! Guess I wont be using this RoW after all. It's pretty good but it just seems to limit my options too much and that's not what I want from an alpha legion army. The reconnaissance RoW gives me a better chance at going first, and that's what i was going for anyway.
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