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Hey guys. I know this has probably been discussed in depth, but for the life of me I can't find anything on it. Here's the rules question I'm trying to figure out (please bear with me, i'm at work and don't have the rules in front of me so I'm paraphrasing).

Models firing Overwatch fire Snap Shots which are resolved at BS1.

Supreme Fire Discipline: If Dark Angels are taken as part of a Lion's Blade Strike Force, any model with the Grim Resolve special rule fires Overwatch at full BS.

Invisibility: If a unit has invisibility cast on it, then models can only snap fire at that unit.

So in the normal shooting phase the Dark Angels would fire and their shooting would be resolved as snap shots as normal with the reduced BS. But if the invisible unit then charges a Dark Angels unit they fire Overwatch at full BS, so would this override the Invisibility rule? I'm having problems trying to decide what to do here because usually the special rule must specifically state that it modifies snap shots. Supreme Fire discipline doesn't say it modifies snap shots per se, but it does modify Overwatch which is fired as Snap Shots so it would seem to me that they can fire at full BS. Then again, I can easily see where it wouldn't negate the invisibility special rule. If you look at it as a RAI situation, it wouldn't make sense for a unit to shoot better in overwatch, considering they are basically shooting from the hip, than they would under normal conditions.

In short I have no idea how these two rules interact with each other and would like everyone else's opinion on it. If there is already a thread on this please link it! As always thanks for the help!

Normal shooting = normal snapshots.
Overwatch = Dark Angel snapshots.

I think the dark angels get to overwatch at full BS.

It says in the rulebook that models firing overwatch are firing snapshots, so you are adhering to the only restriction invisibility carries, which is that units shooting at an invisible unit must do so as snap shots.

Since it states they overwatch at full BS, they are thus firing snap shots at full BS during overwatch. Nothing in invisibility seems to restrict this from happening.

That's what I thought! Thanks guys. A buddy and I were having debate about it. He believed that it didn't work that way against invisible units since the special rule didn't use the words snap shot.

and that's why assault sucks so bad in 7th ed.

rant! lol

Yes, Dark Angels get the overwatch bonus against Invisibility.

 axisofentropy wrote:
Yes, Dark Angels get the overwatch bonus against Invisibility.

But only when performing Overwatch, of course.

 Charistoph wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:
Yes, Dark Angels get the overwatch bonus against Invisibility.

But only when performing Overwatch, of course.

With they way It's written GW does not make it clear. The rules make it seem like they are not foreign snap shots but rather basically resolving a shooting phase.

The way the fire discipline SHOULD read is as follow:
when a model with fire discipline fires over watch, it's snap shots are resolved at full BS

Overwatch automatically fires snapshots, but GW worded the rules weird, they basically buff your snap shots during overwatch.

Well, but the rule about invisibility says models can only fire snapshots. I would think that means it's impossible to shoot at an invisible unit with anything other than a snapshot.

 techsoldaten wrote:
Well, but the rule about invisibility says models can only fire snapshots. I would think that means it's impossible to shoot at an invisible unit with anything other than a snapshot.

And when firing Overwatch, the DA are firing Snap Shots - albeit at their normal BS.

 techsoldaten wrote:
Well, but the rule about invisibility says models can only fire snapshots. I would think that means it's impossible to shoot at an invisible unit with anything other than a snapshot.

Yes.

Tho it's worth noting that in the popular ITC format, Invisibility is nerfed such that shots are set low BS but not Snap Shots. I think Overwatch would still be Snap Shots, but which set modifier prevails? Different thread.

Haha i feel like that opened up a whole new can of worms for me.