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Hi, just a really quick question as I'm taking a guard blob with a small allied lib conclave to a tourney tomorrow. Can the librarians allow the blob to hit and run? I suspect they can but I just want to be sure.

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Yes, because they are battle brothers and as such are friendly units.

 
   
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Aachen

The Librarians are allowed to join your Guard blobs since they're battlebrothers with each other and the Librarians are independent characters.
The Librarians Chapter Tactics: White Scars keeps being "active" as long as there are no other models with Chapter Tactics in the unit, so the Librarians keep Hit & Run.
Hit & Run itself states "A unit that contains at least one model with this special rule that is locked in combat can choose to leave close combat at the end of any Assault phase."
So while H&R is not transfered to the other blob models it still allows the blob to Hit & Run.

TL;DR: Yes.
   
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Cheers, just wanted to clear that one up should be useful for getting away from deathstars and knights/wraithknights that I can't kill!

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Whoa!!! Evil thought. WS Libby in a squad of Bullgryn and a ministium priest.....
Or WS Libby in a Cohort cybernetica....hit and run monstrous robots with FNP and IWND? What?

Wow! Thanks for the idea. Now I am going to have to build a White Scars army...GW thanks you for the sale. Lol
   
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Can't join ics to units of mc
   
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The cohort cybernetica already has 1 IC and 2-6 infantry models in it but I can see the conflict.that this would cause. But here is some logic. The dominus is an IC who is attached to the two kastelan robot units, they are fielded as a single unit, but are three units for kill points. Why couldn't the Libby join the dominus?

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Maj.Lee Scrude wrote:
The cohort cybernetica already has 1 IC and 2-6 infantry models in it but I can see the conflict.that this would cause. But here is some logic. The dominus is an IC who is attached to the two kastelan robot units, they are fielded as a single unit, but are three units for kill points. Why couldn't the Libby join the dominus?


Because it is still a single unit and it contains MCs. Unless specifically stated otherwise, an IC cannot join a unit that contains 1+ MCs.

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Maj.Lee Scrude wrote:
The cohort cybernetica already has 1 IC and 2-6 infantry models in it but I can see the conflict.that this would cause. But here is some logic. The dominus is an IC who is attached to the two kastelan robot units, they are fielded as a single unit, but are three units for kill points. Why couldn't the Libby join the dominus?

There is a specific rule against it. Please show your specific rule allowing it.
   
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The dominus is an IC. The formation require this IC to be joined to 2 Kastelan Robot units. The dominus is still an IC, it is just required to be fielded as a single unit. The librarian should be able to join with another IC unit, no?
   
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Maj.Lee Scrude wrote:
The dominus is an IC. The formation require this IC to be joined to 2 Kastelan Robot units. The dominus is still an IC, it is just required to be fielded as a single unit. The librarian should be able to join with another IC unit, no?

You aren't joining the IC, you are joining a unit that has an IC and MCs in it
   
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Maj.Lee Scrude wrote:
The dominus is an IC. The formation require this IC to be joined to 2 Kastelan Robot units. The dominus is still an IC, it is just required to be fielded as a single unit. The librarian should be able to join with another IC unit, no?

You're not joining an ic to an ic unit. It's joining a unit containing one plus mc. Which it is forbidden from doing.
   
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Maj.Lee Scrude wrote:
The dominus is an IC. The formation require this IC to be joined to 2 Kastelan Robot units. The dominus is still an IC, it is just required to be fielded as a single unit. The librarian should be able to join with another IC unit, no?


So an IC and TWO units of monstrous creatures are required to fielded as a single unit?1? That sounds highly bizzare. Are you sure that it's not saying that they are merely all part of one formation?
   
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 doctortom wrote:
Maj.Lee Scrude wrote:
The dominus is an IC. The formation require this IC to be joined to 2 Kastelan Robot units. The dominus is still an IC, it is just required to be fielded as a single unit. The librarian should be able to join with another IC unit, no?


So an IC and TWO units of monstrous creatures are required to fielded as a single unit?1? That sounds highly bizzare. Are you sure that it's not saying that they are merely all part of one formation?


It's the formation and it becomes one unit as well, and disallows the Dominus from leaving it iirc. But the difference is, this is outlined within the formation rules for it, overriding the blanket rule of no IC joining any units with MCs. This also means that no other IC could join that formation-unit during the game, and still means that unless taken as this formation, a Dominus can still not join Kastelans.
   
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Jacksmiles wrote:
 doctortom wrote:
Maj.Lee Scrude wrote:
The dominus is an IC. The formation require this IC to be joined to 2 Kastelan Robot units. The dominus is still an IC, it is just required to be fielded as a single unit. The librarian should be able to join with another IC unit, no?


So an IC and TWO units of monstrous creatures are required to fielded as a single unit?1? That sounds highly bizzare. Are you sure that it's not saying that they are merely all part of one formation?


It's the formation and it becomes one unit as well, and disallows the Dominus from leaving it iirc. But the difference is, this is outlined within the formation rules for it, overriding the blanket rule of no IC joining any units with MCs. This also means that no other IC could join that formation-unit during the game, and still means that unless taken as this formation, a Dominus can still not join Kastelans.


That makes sense then. I agree that no IC from outside the formation would be able to join the unit, even a Dominus from outside the formation. You're stuck with whatever's in the formation being the whole of the unit.

Thanks for the quick response!

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nekooni wrote:

The Librarians Chapter Tactics: White Scars keeps being "active" as long as there are no other models with Chapter Tactics in the unit, .

The FAQ has changed that to no Space Marines at all, even ones without chapter tactics.

"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."

This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.


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