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Hey guys,

So I was working my custom Space Marine Chapter and I wanted to do something along the lines of the connection between the Blood Ravens and the Thousand Sons. I've set it up (thus far - it's a WIP) whereby the Chapter is much like the Blood Ravens in that my Chapter has no concrete records before the 34th Millennium (with only very vague "Stuff" before then).

My problem is this:

I essentially want to emulate the sort of thing that the Blood Ravens have - A connection to Iron Warriors Traitor Legion without it being a confirmed fact. I just don't know how to do this.

Has anybody any idea how I might go about this?

Cheers

There's one chapter in the fluff that at the least is speculated to be using the geneseed of the Iron Warriors, the Silver Skulls. Some think they descended from the loyalist Iron Warriors led by Barabas Dantioch who assisted the Ultramarines and that perhaps the Ultramarines are covering for them, claiming that the Silver Skulls are Ultramarine successors.

Following on from the ultramarines connection, it depends how much back ground you intend to right for them.

If you want to go really deep you claim them as second founding ultramarines chapter, but give there chapter number as one of the ultramarines chapters that were known to be destroyed or never have existed, and then just give them back ground and skill that hints at siege warfare.

Plus if you can find the name of a loyalist iron warriors battle barge you give it too them as there flagship.

that way people relay have to did to figure things out

The Silver Skulls of Dantioch are your guys.

Maybe have them follow similar doctrines of combat-disregarding the codex astartes in much the same way that the space wolves do and favoring siege operations and mechanized assaults. Or, more brutally, enact the custom of decimation (in a squad who fails in combat 1 in 10 of the members are beaten to death by their fellows to reprimand the others) as this was commonly enforced among the IW during their loyalist years. That may be a bit extreme though

Some parts of legion were on separate crusades, and may have been out of contact with the main legion for years, those could have become loyal marines

Use Imperial Fists chapter tactics.

I'm aware that there's differences, but the core idea is basically the same:

Siege marines.

Make them the 'workhorse' style of marines like the IW were before they rejoined with Pert.

Other ideas: give them a load of vindicators (one of Perts ideas I believe), give them a preference towards augmetics (similar to Iron Hands), or give them a grinding style of warfare/disdian for guard units.
Wow, when I word it like that the IW sound pretty similar to the Iron Hands. I guess it depends on how much of the more recent and more grimdark IW fluff you want to work in.

Also, I always had the impression of the IW's being greekish in origin and names. If you have no plans, you could do the same (or take another empire, such as the Byzantines, for inspiration).

King Pariah wrote:There's one chapter in the fluff that at the least is speculated to be using the geneseed of the Iron Warriors, the Silver Skulls. Some think they descended from the loyalist Iron Warriors led by Barabas Dantioch who assisted the Ultramarines and that perhaps the Ultramarines are covering for them, claiming that the Silver Skulls are Ultramarine successors.

goundry wrote:Following on from the ultramarines connection, it depends how much back ground you intend to right for them.

If you want to go really deep you claim them as second founding ultramarines chapter, but give there chapter number as one of the ultramarines chapters that were known to be destroyed or never have existed, and then just give them back ground and skill that hints at siege warfare.

Plus if you can find the name of a loyalist iron warriors battle barge you give it too them as there flagship.

that way people relay have to did to figure things out

I definitely like the idea of an Ultramarines "Cover Up". As far as finding a Loyalist Battle Barge from the Iron Warriors: Based on a quick search, I doubt that I'll find one that isn't otherwise accounted for (e.g. destroyed). I could just make up my own which should work just fine.

BaconUprising wrote:Maybe have them follow similar doctrines of combat-disregarding the codex astartes in much the same way that the space wolves do and favoring siege operations and mechanized assaults. Or, more brutally, enact the custom of decimation (in a squad who fails in combat 1 in 10 of the members are beaten to death by their fellows to reprimand the others) as this was commonly enforced among the IW during their loyalist years. That may be a bit extreme though

The extremity of such characteristics could add flavour, though. It would also add plausibility to it (if only for the readers).

Jehan-reznor wrote:Some parts of legion were on separate crusades, and may have been out of contact with the main legion for years, those could have become loyal marines

That's what I'm counting on.

Traditio wrote:Use Imperial Fists chapter tactics.

I'm aware that there's differences, but the core idea is basically the same:

Siege marines.

The only "Chapter Tactics" that are of interest here are those of the Iron Warriors as described by lore. Any other Chapter Tactics (especially the tabletop Chapter Tactics) seem a bit irrelevant.

Mudrat wrote:Make them the 'workhorse' style of marines like the IW were before they rejoined with Pert.

Other ideas: give them a load of vindicators (one of Perts ideas I believe), give them a preference towards augmetics (similar to Iron Hands), or give them a grinding style of warfare/disdian for guard units.
Wow, when I word it like that the IW sound pretty similar to the Iron Hands. I guess it depends on how much of the more recent and more grimdark IW fluff you want to work in.

Also, I always had the impression of the IW's being greekish in origin and names. If you have no plans, you could do the same (or take another empire, such as the Byzantines, for inspiration).

Sounds good. Cheers