Jancoran wrote:
I literally wish you would stop pretending like getting better at the game isnt important too.
Lol.
That's what i wish. I know I won't get it. Because if you attack anyone who advocates getting better, then you get away with claiming lists are all that matter. Good luck with that. I look forward to following your standings with great interest in 2017.
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Table wrote:
Good god. What a post. Some really good info for newer chaos players such as myself. Many thanks. But if I could trouble you to know your thoughts on Warp Talons in the Talon? I know the big factor of not including them is simply you lose a raptor unit. But for those of us who love the models im not seeing a big decrease in the potency of the formation by including a unit. But
id like to know your thoughts on how you would go about outfitting and using the unit in a talon. I have my general thoughts but
Id love some info from a better player. And once, more thanks for the post above.
I'll share an article i wrote a long while ago about them but things HAVE changed since then so read it in that light:
http://40kunorthodoxy.blogspot.com/2014/01/warp-talons.html
As for the current state of affairs, the Warp Talons article goes over a lot of what I would say. but the issue you have with them is the same as it ever was: cost and no grenades. The grenade thing is explained by the fact that they are Daemons in the end. So okay whatever. But this really does impact things. Cover is prolific most of the time and going second AND disorganized charge on top of it really hurts the feelings. You can also bet that the enemy will direct its attacks against the Talons first and though the 5+ invulnerable save is great against harder hitters, a lot of your targets wont kill you with any more difficulty than anything else they are used to fighting.
So the easy answer is that if you DO take them, they are less useful when attacking the same target (as you would want to do perhaps when trying to use the Formation ability) because they will be the first to take hits a lot of the time and they are more expensive.
The blinding effect is really good though and with the Dimensional Key which is tough to pull off you could make real use of Warp Talons. I view them kind of as a better unit to have jumping forward behind the Rhino wall instead of deep Striking which further takes away from what they do. After all the Rhino wall is important for Dirge Casting and giving the enemy the unenviable choice between trying to get around to the Warp Talons ooooor...killing the rhinos... I mean you can see how this creates some defense for your rhinos. Its not on paper, but target priority is a very real way for a general to protect the squishier things in a list. Once the enemy kills the first rhino for first blood as they inevitably probably will, their interest in killing rhinos lessens and their wish to kill Warp Talons increases. the question though is, are you going to take Warp Talons if that's your strategy with them? You lose some of what makes them cool on the drop that way.
Nonetheless I would perhaps deploy it normally and walk it up, forming a curtain with the rhinos to protect them. Use its eventual arrival to conicide with that of the Raptors to get the morale penalty later on, against the most important target.
Nurgle is absolutely the Mark to use for Raptors and for Warp Talons because they are going STRAIGHT into the teeth of the enemy and they are ever so good and holding the enemy in place if you make them tough. Makes sure you can get a chaos lord up there to join them. a biker lord is probably the answer there. zoom it up, wait for the drop and then join them. As both units can charge at that point, you can get Fearless. The Chaos lord is super important because he makes them fearless. Time and again this has been important. Don't underestimate it. Warp Talons i think come fearless as Daemons so they are good to go without the Chaos Lord. An Objective Secured Biker lord is pretty snazzy though... You can attack and still be contesting/taking objectives that way if he's from the Chaos Warband...
I don't know if that is what you're interested in knowing but that's my general answer.
