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2016/11/29 02:41:54
Subject: How Many Grenades Can You Throw In One Game Turn?
By my count, five grenades. One in your shooting phase. One in your assault phase (if you charge a vehicle or Monstrous Creature). One in their movement phase (Death or Glory). Two in their assault phase (Overwatch and in combat against a Walker or Monstrous Creature).
Now, that's HIGHLY UNLIKELY to happen. That requires, turn one, the enemy to have infiltrated a Monstrous Creature or vehicle close enough to be naded and charged, then for you to kill them in close combat, then Tank Shock you in their turn, then charge you with a Walker or Monstrous Creature.
But technically, that COULD happen in every game turn, up to seven. Which means one man (say, a SM Captain) can throw 35 grenades in one game. (Now, for this to be ONE MODEL rather than a squad, it becomes even more unlikely, since you have to succeed on every Death or Glory and kill everything that you charge and charges you in one CC phase. But technically? Possible.)
Edit: Nope, 4 times. Can't Overwatch and use the Grenade in CC at the same time.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/11/29 03:17:13
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2016/11/29 02:47:11
Subject: How Many Grenades Can You Throw In One Game Turn?
That's why I stuck in this general discussion. It's just a little thought exercise, and seeing if anyone has thought of anything I missed.
Also, math in the spoiler, because I find this kind of shenanigans fun.
Spoiler:
Odds of not killing a Vehicle in the shooting or CC phase with grenades-100% (it's AV 13)
Odds of successfully Stunning, Immobilizing, or Destroying an AV 10 Open-Topped Vehicle during a Death or Glory-16.7%
Odds of killing a Ghostkeel (T5 3+ Save WS2) with one wound left NOT in Overwatch, but then successfully in CC with a grenade-13.7%
Odds of not killing the Ghostkeel in Overwatch is 92.6%, odds of killing in CC is 14.8%
Total odds of performing all those actions in one turn-2.3%
Total odds of performing that 6 turns in a row, then performing both the Death or Glory AND not killing a Ghostkeel with Overwatch (but it doesn't matter if it survives CC or not) in turn 7-.000000014%
Or, out of 1,000,000,000 games, 14 times will your SM Captain throw 35 grenades, assuming your enemy is running a bizarre combination of Trukks, Ghostkeels, and Land Raiders, and Tank Shocks you every turn, and Infiltrates his Land Raider close enough to be shot and charged, and the rest of your army manages to get each Ghostkeel down to one wound, and the charges never fail....
Edit: DAMMIT! I just did math!
Alright, editing time.
Edit II: Math in spoiler.
Spoiler:
Odds of not killing a Vehicle in the shooting or CC phase with grenades-100% (it's AV 13)
Odds of successfully Stunning, Immobilizing, or Destroying an AV 10 Open-Topped Vehicle during a Death or Glory-16.7%
Odds of killing a lone Grot with Overwatch (Grenade) or CC, assuming the Captain is armed with a Relic Blade-96.6%
Odds of doing all that in one turn-16.1%
Odds of doing that 6 turns in a row, and successfully Stunning, Immobilizing, or Destroying the Vehicle in Death or Glory in turn 7 (killing the Grot no longer matters)-.000291%
Or, in other words, assuming your enemy brings Grots, Trukks (ignoring Ramshackle), and... Something else from Orks? you will throw 35 grenades in 291 out of 1,000,000 games.
Edit III: Wait, games don't always go 7 turns. Turn 6 is a 3+ (66.7%) and turn 7 is a 4+ (50%). Together, that's 33.4% of games go to turn 7.
So that's .0000971% of games, or 971 out of 10,000,000.
This message was edited 5 times. Last update was at 2016/11/29 03:29:44
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2016/11/29 03:20:20
Subject: Re:How Many Grenades Can You Throw In One Game Turn?
Well I hate calculations in 40k, so I'm gonna duck out of this one. Have fun discussing though!
G.A
Bye GA! Sorry the math scared you!
CrownAxe wrote: You actually can't overwatch and swing with the a grenade from the same unit because the limit is once per phase and both happen in the same phase.
Thanks for the catch, CrownAxe.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/11/29 03:26:51
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