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Quite Simply Put.
Do you *Have* to use the New Datasheet for Pink Horrors Supplied with Wrath of Magnus?
Nothing says "This Replaces the Entry in Codex: Daemons" and Im sure GW would have Brought it up in their Wrath of Magnus FAQ

Also, If they are Titled "Pink Horrors" and not "Pink Horrors of Tzeench", (Im not sure if they are titled differently, as my copy of WoM is at home) then Surely they are two seperate entities?
Also, Wrath of Magnus is a Chaos Space Marine Supplement, so The Pink Horrors Featured would go under their Army List, and Not Daemons?

No rule in 40k is obligatory, as long as you agree with your opponent beforehand.

However, I think it's a given that those rules obviously replace what's already in the Codex under the same name.

G.A

 General Annoyance wrote:
No rule in 40k is obligatory, as long as you agree with your opponent beforehand.

However, I think it's a given that those rules obviously replace what's already in the Codex under the same name.

G.A

Hence why im asking if they're called "Pink Horrors" or "Pink Horrors of Tzeench"

I would say based on simple logic and the possibility that someone was not attentive to the exact wording of the entry, that the new rules are intended to replace the old.

 commander dante wrote:

 General Annoyance wrote:
No rule in 40k is obligatory, as long as you agree with your opponent beforehand.

However, I think it's a given that those rules obviously replace what's already in the Codex under the same name.

G.A

Hence why im asking if they're called "Pink Horrors" or "Pink Horrors of Tzeench"

Are you using the supplement or rules from the supplement? If so then yes, you must use the new horror rules. Otherwise it's up to you until they release a new Codex: Chaos Daemons or a FAQ updating the rules.

Also note that it is a duel faction supplement. Both CSM and Chaos Daemons.

Page 176 (175 of ebook); it explicitly states they replace the codex entry.

I would have no problem with people using the old "blue horror split rule", as right now it's crazy to expect to have that many blues and brimstones available to play.

However there is now a gw faq explicitly denying horrors use of maelific , so that boat has sailed.

Can we get a link to that FAQ?

Never mind. Found it on Warhammer community.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Page 176 (175 of ebook); it explicitly states they replace the codex entry.

I would have no problem with people using the old "blue horror split rule", as right now it's crazy to expect to have that many blues and brimstones available to play.

However there is now a gw faq explicitly denying horrors use of maelific , so that boat has sailed.

^^^This

Gotta admit, I loved the concept of them bursting out units of other demons, and exploding themselves in the process. It's definitely fluffy. Sad to see it go.

Call me silly but I would assume that if your running the new Magnus Army you would use the supplement rules and if you running a DoC Army you would use the rules in the DoC book.

You are silly. :p

Nah. It's stupid cos it's an expensive book that no-one is going to want to buy just for pink frickin horrors.

There is no Magnus army for daemons, he's chaos marines only.

But the supplement has a datasheet replacing pinks. Add two new units for daemons (which are very good)
Also gives you rules for running a tzeentch only daemon army (pass) and a few new formations which are all excellent.

So, yeah if you use tzeentch daemons you will want this supplement.

Basically if you play Daemons at all, you need the Codex, and BOTH Warzone Fenris books. Curse of the Wulfen is an amazing addition to Daemons anyway. Wrath of Magnus may only give 3 new unit entries, but there are also a few really good formations in there as well.

If you really, REALLY don't want to buy the WoM for such little content that applies to you, just explain that to your opponent. I am sure they will be happy not playing with the Split rule and fully understand not wanting to make such a large financial investment just to use a handful on plastic toys. Remember that every game you play is an agreement with your opponent, so you can technically use whatever you both agree on.

In competitive play, however, most opponents WILL expect you to abide by the "no Malefic for Pinks" ruling as that is the current incarnation of that specific entry. Unless specifically ruled by a TO, you should expect to use current rules.

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Does WoM actually replace C:CD? Or is it specific to a Faction build provided by WoM ala Daemonkin?

 Charistoph wrote:
Does WoM actually replace C:CD? Or is it specific to a Faction build provided by WoM ala Daemonkin?

Captain_Bob answered this earlier in the thread. The Pink Horror entry in the WoM book specifically replaces the entry in the Daemon Codex.
Simply not having the WoM book does not mean that its entry is not the current and correct entry. And Pink, Blue and Brimstone Horrors as Faction: Daemons, not CSM, so it doesn't matter if you are using the Thousand sons Detachment, you will still need a Daemon detachment to run Horrors alongside Tsons.

In a purely RAW, competitive environment, you must use the WoM entry
In a casual game between 2 civil human beings, play whatever rules you both agree on.

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It's nothing like daemonkin.

The replacement dataslates in WoM state they override Codex Daemons.

Likewise the Change lore in Curse of the wulfen overrides the lore in the codex.

The tzeentch warp storm is optional tho.

Captyn_Bob wrote:

The tzeentch warp storm is optional tho.

Is it optional, or if you have a Tz Daemon WL does it replace the table? Similar to how Faction specific Maelstrom cards replace 11-16 of the BRB, non-optional

Galef wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:
Does WoM actually replace C:CD? Or is it specific to a Faction build provided by WoM ala Daemonkin?

Captain_Bob answered this earlier in the thread. The Pink Horror entry in the WoM book specifically replaces the entry in the Daemon Codex.

It never hurts to have a second witness for confirmation, though.

Galef wrote:Simply not having the WoM book does not mean that its entry is not the current and correct entry. And Pink, Blue and Brimstone Horrors as Faction: Daemons, not CSM, so it doesn't matter if you are using the Thousand sons Detachment, you will still need a Daemon detachment to run Horrors alongside Tsons.

In a purely RAW, competitive environment, you must use the WoM entry
In a casual game between 2 civil human beings, play whatever rules you both agree on.

In a competitive environment, you go by the Game Organizer's decisions. Some will allow whatever you provide, so long as you are consistent. Others demand you use the latest.

For example, just because Planetary Onslaught is out doesn't mean you have to use their rules on buildings, Missions, or Force Organizations. I only have to use Death from the Skies modifications if we have the book and choose to use it.

But as you say, if you are using the WoM detachments, you should be using the updated Pink Horrors datasheet.

Captyn_Bob wrote:It's nothing like daemonkin.

The replacement dataslates in WoM state they override Codex Daemons.

Likewise the Change lore in Curse of the wulfen overrides the lore in the codex.

The tzeentch warp storm is optional tho.

Technically speaking, that datasheet has as much authority as the one in Codex: Chaos Daemons. It only has as much power as the player using it provides.

Still, good to know that the book isn't trying to be a new codex, hence the question on Daemonkin (that part is a rather big shame, in my opinion).

The warp storm is definitely said to be optional.

The language for the tatcial objectives is also can/may so I read that as optional too.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
The warp storm is definitely said to be optional.

The language for the tatcial objectives is also can/may so I read that as optional too.

Good on the Warp Storm. I haven't got my head around it yet and since my WLs are almost always Tz, it would have been a pain to adapt to a new table.

As for the Tactical objective, that probably depends on the codex. My Eldar one does not seem to suggest optional. It says the following replace 11-16.

 Galef wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:

The tzeentch warp storm is optional tho.

Is it optional, or if you have a Tz Daemon WL does it replace the table? Similar to how Faction specific Maelstrom cards replace 11-16 of the BRB, non-optional

Neither the Tzeentch warp storm table nor the faction maelstrom objectives are mandatory. both are optional

 Galef wrote:
Basically if you play Daemons at all, you need the Codex, and BOTH Warzone Fenris books. Curse of the Wulfen is an amazing addition to Daemons anyway. Wrath of Magnus may only give 3 new unit entries, but there are also a few really good formations in there as well.

If you really, REALLY don't want to buy the WoM for such little content that applies to you, just explain that to your opponent. I am sure they will be happy not playing with the Split rule and fully understand not wanting to make such a large financial investment just to use a handful on plastic toys. Remember that every game you play is an agreement with your opponent, so you can technically use whatever you both agree on.

In competitive play, however, most opponents WILL expect you to abide by the "no Malefic for Pinks" ruling as that is the current incarnation of that specific entry. Unless specifically ruled by a TO, you should expect to use current rules.

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When did supplements become mandatory?
If I'm not playing with a supplement then the rules in the supplement and FAQ entries for it do not apply. The 'no malific' FAQ applies to Pinks from WoM, not Pinks from C: DoC.

JakeSiren wrote:
When did supplements become mandatory?
If I'm not playing with a supplement then the rules in the supplement and FAQ entries for it do not apply. The 'no malific' FAQ applies to Pinks from WoM, not Pinks from C: DoC.

While I understand what you are saying, remember that every codex IS a supplement for the game.

Technically speaking, you only need the supplements for the game you're setting up to play

JakeSiren wrote:
When did supplements become mandatory?
If I'm not playing with a supplement then the rules in the supplement and FAQ entries for it do not apply. The 'no malific' FAQ applies to Pinks from WoM, not Pinks from C: DoC.

Is there anything which designates campaign books as being less part of the core rules than codexes?

Cities of Death and Apocalypse had the 40K Expansion marking but the warzone books, planetary onslaught, etc. have the same 40K mark as codexes.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

JakeSiren wrote:
When did supplements become mandatory?
If I'm not playing with a supplement then the rules in the supplement and FAQ entries for it do not apply. The 'no malific' FAQ applies to Pinks from WoM, not Pinks from C: DoC.

Is there anything which designates campaign books as being less part of the core rules than codexes?

Cities of Death and Apocalypse had the 40K Expansion marking but the warzone books, planetary onslaught, etc. have the same 40K mark as codexes.

All are supplements. Codices are supplements for the rulebook, not core rules. By definition, the Core Rules are everything from General Principle up to Unit Types. And just like codices, you only need the supplements for the game you are running right now.