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I'm so confused on chaos codecies now. So detachment wide bonuses are in traitors legion, but they use the black crusade decurian and its aux formations from traitors hate just replacing the detachment bonus with legion specific bonus, and the unit stats are in CSM 6th ed codex, then there's all the other formations from other supplements and dataslates that can be made a traitor legion also but aren't in the decurian as aux choices so are taken as separate formation detachments? Then I've seen mention of the legions limiting what kind of demons you can take, except demons are Allies they aren't in any CSM formations.

I dunno but I guess all I need is the new one to make sure I can do Death Guard with a Talon. It has some serious potential...

You should just wait until the rules actually come out so you can read them because the book will tell you how they work.

lmfao, GW published all these suppliments for a 6th ed codex to work in 7th ed instead of just printing a 7th ed codex. Its so confusing.

When 8th ed hits, CSM will still be a 6th ed codex. Then they will continue writing supplements to make the 6th ed codex work in 8th ed by re-writting those 7th ed supplements.

it will be hillarious if they keep that up for 9th ed so the csm codex is the last remaining 6th ed codex in a 9th ed era.

smh, what are they trying to do?

Yeah I'm not getting it. It's like they made supplements that obsolete supplements by using parts of said prior supplements to make them better in the new supplements. Did I say supplement enough?

But seriously, so confused on how this all is supposed to work together. It seems like units are in CSM codex, detachment and it's formations are in traitors hate, but the bonus for taking said detachments are in traitor legions.

Related to that, this is why they need to make all the decurian style detachments not have a core and aux list. Have the formation define if it's core or aux to the decurian. because what happens now is they release a decurian, list of core and aux for it, then over time they release more formations some of which are very cool, but since those new ones aren't listed in the original codecies decurian they have to be a whole separate force. This seems to be happening to all the armies. If they want to keep going with this formation thing, which I think is actually a great idea, they need to make new formations backwards comparable with the main decurian each army gets.

There is codex: CSM. It happens to still be a 6th edition codex, sucks to be us.
Then there is a variety of dataslates from black library. They are individual formations using the units from C:CSM and two of them add new characters. Cypher and Belakor.
You can easily get by without even knowing these exist at all. Cypher and belakor are pretty cool though.

Then there is a supplement for Black Legion and Crimson slaughter. Just pretend these never happened.

Then there is Traitor's hate. It has rules for renegade knights and gave CSM their first detachment. A black crusade detachment, along with a bunch of formations. There is no lord of skulls in here, really, toally not.
Then came Wrath of magnus with new units for CSM and another detachment for CSM but also daemons and some formations for them.

Traitor Legions gives CSM 9 new detachments. Most of which consist entirely of the formations from Traitor's Hate. It also includes the CSM units from wrath of magnus and their detachment.
It does NOT include the daemon rules. It also does NOT include the black crusade detachment and does not include the renegade knights.
The formations from the Black Legion supplement were also added.

So unless you want to play daemons or renegade knights. All you need is the CSM codex and traitor legions.
The Black Crusade detachment gives you free hatred (armies of the imperium) ,free VotLW and a free boon each turn. Which is all pretty useless in comparison to the traitor legion detachments.
Also it totally still doesn't have a lord of skulls, that's just an illusion.

 Roknar wrote:
There is codex: CSM. It happens to still be a 6th edition codex, sucks to be us.
Then there is a variety of dataslates from black library. They are individual formations using the units from C:CSM and two of them add new characters. Cypher and Belakor.
You can easily get by without even knowing these exist at all. Cypher and belakor are pretty cool though.

Then there is a supplement for Black Legion and Crimson slaughter. Just pretend these never happened.

Then there is Traitor's hate. It has rules for renegade knights and gave CSM their first detachment. A black crusade detachment, along with a bunch of formations. There is no lord of skulls in here, really, toally not.
Then came Wrath of magnus with new units for CSM and another detachment for CSM but also daemons and some formations for them.

Traitor Legions gives CSM 9 new detachments. Most of which consist entirely of the formations from Traitor's Hate. It also includes the CSM units from wrath of magnus and their detachment.
It does NOT include the daemon rules. It also does NOT include the black crusade detachment and does not include the renegade knights.
The formations from the Black Legion supplement were also added.

So unless you want to play daemons or renegade knights. All you need is the CSM codex and traitor legions.
The Black Crusade detachment gives you free hatred (armies of the imperium) ,free VotLW and a free boon each turn. Which is all pretty useless in comparison to the traitor legion detachments.
Also it totally still doesn't have a lord of skulls, that's just an illusion.

Ah so I can skip traitors hate ty.

i hope they incorporated some of the random formations into these detachments, but it doesn't mention them in leaks, things like the hell fist murder pack etc. maybe I'm a purist or I don't like having to remember which units are in which detachment for rule book keeping, but I like taking one detachment, with all formations falling within that detachment for simplicity. Sounded like the only formations they've used are the ones from traitors hate.

Would be nice if they secretly added in the helbrute formations for iron warriors and word bearers between the review copy and the release version, but I doubt it lol.
Then again, they don't really benefit from being in the legion detachments since they are all based on having veterans of the long war, or almost entirely anyway.

Well, the Crimson slaughter supplement wasn't that bad, had nice relics and okay formations, but since traitors Hate and Traitor Legions they probably will be forgotten. Though the fluff in Traitors hate explains it.

Good riddance

 Roknar wrote:
Would be nice if they secretly added in the helbrute formations for iron warriors and word bearers between the review copy and the release version, but I doubt it lol.
Then again, they don't really benefit from being in the legion detachments since they are all based on having veterans of the long war, or almost entirely anyway.

Yeah have a larger pool of all the various formations from the different books and dataslates compiled together and different legions have a different combination from those formations as their aux choices they can take. Like only alpha legion, night lords, black legion have the option to take raptors talon as an aux in their decurian, but only iron warriors world eaters can take the hell pack, etc. but seems like every legion can take any of the 8 from traitors hate, and only from the warband and those 8 if I read correctly. At this point I'm just wishlisting.

Which is where I'm curious how they get "26 formations." Either there's a lot more than the ones that have been posted, or more likely they're counting each legion as a formation. So like 10, plus the 3 core and and 8 aux from traitors hate, then the Single unit no special rule ones like command and spawn.