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Looking for some general fluff online I found that Wikipedia lists the Chaos Symbol (the eight - arrowed star) as an occult/satanic one and being somehow related to the famous occultist Aleister Crowley.

But...wasen't it created by the writer Michael Moorcock, who I don't remember having any ties with such things?

Also, if it really is a somewhat "satanic" symbol, how in the Immaterium did GW manage to copyright it?

I imagine getting a copyright on the Chaos Star would be a whole hell of a lot easier than getting them on a literal word.

Yet Lucasarts managed to copyright the word Droid.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbol_of_Chaos

That's not really what the article says, it simply states that Moorcock and Crowley's are similar.

 Azreal13 wrote:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbol_of_Chaos

That's not really what the article says, it simply states that Moorcock and Crowley's are similar.

Yeah but still, why is it listed as an occult symbol?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occult_symbols

I mean, Moorcock was no occultist and it's not like there are actual cultists worshipping chaos and screaming about skulls for a throne...right?


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 morganfreeman wrote:
I imagine getting a copyright on the Chaos Star would be a whole hell of a lot easier than getting them on a literal word.

Yet Lucasarts managed to copyright the word Droid.

Wait, wha...wha...re-really?
Way to go, George.

WaaaghBozz wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbol_of_Chaos

That's not really what the article says, it simply states that Moorcock and Crowley's are similar.

Yeah but still, why is it listed as an occult symbol?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occult_symbols

I mean, Moorcock was no occultist and it's not like there are actual cultists worshipping chaos and screaming about about skulls for a throne...right?

Because it has transcended the pages of the Elric novels and entered the cultural zeitgeist. It is everywhere. The symbol currently adorns the ring gear of the WWE NXT stable SAnitY is it used as an occult symbol here? Nope. It is used in lots of places, in the very same article it states it is used as a symbol for the Eurasian Youth Union and the New Right in the UK.

Why are you so concerned as to its occult symbol status or not?

Ruin wrote:

WaaaghBozz wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbol_of_Chaos

That's not really what the article says, it simply states that Moorcock and Crowley's are similar.

Yeah but still, why is it listed as an occult symbol?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occult_symbols

I mean, Moorcock was no occultist and it's not like there are actual cultists worshipping chaos and screaming about about skulls for a throne...right?

Because it has transcended the pages of the Elric novels and entered the cultural zeitgeist. It is everywhere. The symbol currently adorns the ring gear of the WWE NXT stable SAnitY is it used as an occult symbol here? Nope. It is used in lots of places, in the very same article it states it is used as a symbol for the Eurasian Youth Union and the New Right in the UK.

Why are you so concerned as to its occult symbol status or not?

Merely out of curiosity, because it would have surprised me if someone had put an actual "black-magic-satanic-occult-mind-corrupting" symbol in a tabletop game, mainly because:
1) After all the fuss on D&D, it would have attracted quite the controversy
2) Warhammer 40k is supposed to be a universe where (at least apparently) nobody is supposed to believe anymore in old, hokey religions, and just taking up one of its mystical symbols would have been as if the church on Terra still used the cross

1) Thing is Stormbringer and lot of Moorcock's Elric work pre-dates D&D and GW by some 10-15 years, and Crowley is even further back at the opening few decades of the 20th Century, and the likes of BADD and Concerned Mutha's of Merika like many frothing finger-pointers didn't really have a lot in the way of book learning so the Star most likely didn't raise any flags whereas words like Demon, Magic or Pentagrams would have them taking in bums (like talking in tongues justs via another orriface) almost instantly (and these twits have'nt gone away, Google M:TG Unholy Strength for worrying giggles)

2) I thought everyone in 40k followed some kind of hokey dogma, despite the pre-throne Emperor attempting to establish the Imperial Truth to keep people away from such things

From a pure fluff perspective I think it represents the "eight-fold path". Hence eight points.

I always knew Sudoku was born of the occult.

WaaaghBozz wrote:


. . . it's not like there are actual cultists worshipping chaos and screaming about skulls for a throne...right?

Indeed. There is no cult of the Dark Four, and if there was, we wouldn't be plotting against the Vatican

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
1) Thing is Stormbringer and lot of Moorcock's Elric work pre-dates D&D and GW by some 10-15 years, and Crowley is even further back at the opening few decades of the 20th Century, and the likes of BADD and Concerned Mutha's of Merika like many frothing finger-pointers didn't really have a lot in the way of book learning so the Star most likely didn't raise any flags whereas words like Demon, Magic or Pentagrams would have them taking in bums (like talking in tongues justs via another orriface) almost instantly (and these twits have'nt gone away, Google M:TG Unholy Strength for worrying giggles)

2) I thought everyone in 40k followed some kind of hokey dogma, despite the pre-throne Emperor attempting to establish the Imperial Truth to keep people away from such things

Thanks for the info, about the second point that's why I said "apparently"


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 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
From a pure fluff perspective I think it represents the "eight-fold path". Hence eight points.

Yes that I figured (it literal represent the infinte, omnidirectional possibilities offered by Chaos), just was wondering why there should have really been a real life counterpart to it among pentagrams and the like since Nurgle Tzeetench and the others are purely fictional with no "real" demonology counterpart


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 deviantduck wrote:
I always knew Sudoku was born of the occult.

So are Harry Potter, Metal music, Catholic doctrine and cheeseburgers, according to the Internet
But Sudoku...man, just playing it I feel like betraying Space Caesar


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 EnTyme wrote:

WaaaghBozz wrote:


. . . it's not like there are actual cultists worshipping chaos and screaming about skulls for a throne...right?

Indeed. There is no cult of the Dark Four, and if there was, we wouldn't be plotting against the Vatican

Well, it's understandable: nobody would have wanted to join Nurgle anyway...
Also, "plotting againist the Vatican"?
Last time I heard, it was the Vatican plotting againist us. At least, so says Dan Brown.