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We all know how the the Ecclesiarchy uses a highly religious/moralistic language to describe humanity's struggle against the Ruinous Powers, Daemons, the Warp, etc.

I've always wondered, have we ever seen this from a Mechanicus perspective? They already worship in the Emperor in a rather idiosyncratic manner through the use of their Omnissiah concept.

So do we ever see them describing the Warp, Chaos, Daemons, etc using their own internal language which makes sense in the context of their beliefs?

Or do they just do what the the Ecclesiarchy and the SM Chapters do. ie: "Die foul servant of Chaos," etc. etc.

Hmmm, that's a very interesting concept.

I'm sure if we haven't had anything in the fluff some creative types would be able to come up with something that fits perfectly.

We've heard their description of AI as Abominable Intelligence which is brilliant. Something like that

The 30k Mechanicum did try to study daemons. Which is what lead to the dark mechanicum. They thought binding daemons as an energy source would have no side effects.. the fools.
After the martian civil war you end up with the 40k Adeptus Mechanicus. They absolutely do not study daemons.

ALthough not quite as under scrutiny as other imperials, the Adeptus Mechanicus could still find themselves eradicated by he inquisition for knowledge of daemons.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
The 30k Mechanicum did try to study daemons. Which is what lead to the dark mechanicum. They thought binding daemons as an energy source would have no side effects.. the fools.
After the martian civil war you end up with the 40k Adeptus Mechanicus. They absolutely do not study daemons.

ALthough not quite as under scrutiny as other imperials, the Adeptus Mechanicus could still find themselves eradicated by he inquisition for knowledge of daemons.

AH, but my question is less about the study of Daemons, and more about how they conceptualize them.

The Ecclesiarchy as a whole doesn't study Daemons, but they know that they exist and have a framework of how to address their Existence in the context of their Belief in the God-Emperor. Abominations of the Warp, Sinful Tormentors of mankind, etc. etc etc.

I just never recalled ever seeing the Mechanicus address the matter directly in the same way the Ecclesiarchy might give a Sermon about it.

there is an except from the Cult mechanicus book that has a datasmith with some robots fighting khorn daemons during the first war of Armageddon. Something something metal swords isn't corporal and disappears when the daemons are killed

Hmmm, so brainstorming snappy Ad Mech names for daemons (taking inspiration from the commandments of the Omnissiah):

Undirected Motion


Wrongspark


Unlearning Intelligence


Unconscious Intelligence


Forsaken Intelligence


I like 'Wrongspark', personally

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
Hmmm, so brainstorming snappy Ad Mech names for daemons (taking inspiration from the commandments of the Omnissiah):

Undirected Motion

Spoiler:

Life is directed motion.

Wrongspark

Spoiler:

The spirit is the spark of life.

Unlearning Intelligence

Spoiler:

Sentience is the ability to learn the value of knowledge.
Intellect is the understanding of knowledge.
Understanding is the True Path to Comprehension.
Comprehension is the key to all things.

Unconscious Intelligence

Spoiler:

The soul is the conscience of sentience.

Forsaken Intelligence

Spoiler:

A soul can be bestowed only by the Omnissiah.
The Soulless sentience is the enemy of all.

I like 'Wrongspark', personally

Not bad at all!


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 Tiger9gamer wrote:
there is an except from the Cult mechanicus book that has a datasmith with some robots fighting khorn daemons during the first war of Armageddon. Something something metal swords isn't corporal and disappears when the daemons are killed

Hmmm.. anyone got a clue what the passage from the book says?

GrapeApe wrote:
We all know how the the Ecclesiarchy uses a highly religious/moralistic language to describe humanity's struggle against the Ruinous Powers, Daemons, the Warp, etc.

Ah, remember the days when Chaos was such an insidious threat that any Imperial citizen- including Guardsmen- who so much as saw it was executed? Where it was so corrupting that even a marine who fought against it was mind wiped? Where no one outside of the Inquisition or senior marine commanders had any clue about daemons? I miss those days.

Captyn_Bob wrote:


ALthough not quite as under scrutiny as other imperials, the Adeptus Mechanicus could still find themselves eradicated by he inquisition for knowledge of daemons.

Would they, though? The adeptus mechanicus is pretty much the embodiment of 'too big to fail', as if they were declared to be heretics, all of humanity's technology would just fall apart.

AFAIK, the whole 'omnisiah' concept is only barely tolerated by the inquisition for the above reasons. The mechanicus worships the omnisiah, who the inquisition assumes refers to the emperor, when it is in all probability a necron star god.

Hell, if the adeptus did manage to harness demon energy, I'd half expect them to either hide it from the inquisiton or for the inquisiton to turn a blind eye to it, as long as the mechanicum didn't start wearing people's skin and yelling about blood.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:


ALthough not quite as under scrutiny as other imperials, the Adeptus Mechanicus could still find themselves eradicated by he inquisition for knowledge of daemons.

Would they, though? The adeptus mechanicus is pretty much the embodiment of 'too big to fail', as if they were declared to be heretics, all of humanity's technology would just fall apart.

AFAIK, the whole 'omnisiah' concept is only barely tolerated by the inquisition for the above reasons. The mechanicus worships the omnisiah, who the inquisition assumes refers to the emperor, when it is in all probability a necron star god.
Hell, if the adeptus did manage to harness demon energy, I'd half expect them to either hide it from the inquisiton or for the inquisiton to turn a blind eye to it, as long as the mechanicum didn't start wearing people's skin and yelling about blood.

Its a little more complicated than that... especially after the Horus Heresy novel series came out.

Ever read Mechanicum? Do you remember the seen where the Emperor descends upon Mars in his bling-bling spaceship? And his arrival literally fulfilling a prophecy about the Omnissiah? And the "miracles" he starts pulling off?


The Emperor truly is the Omnissiah - because he invented the role!

At least as far as cannon brings up (which of course is subject to change the moment someone at GW decides to have another bright idea ) life on Mars and the formation of the Cult Mechanicus, it seems as if the Emperor purposely inserted the concept of the Omnissiah into the evolving philosophy-turn-religion of the Mechanicus.

This is the point where people start arguing how far he must have been planning for this - after all he did bury the Void Dragon..or a Shard of it.. well before the time of Spaceships - on Mars and took/siphoned off an ability of that C'tan (assuming it is one) to "heal" machines.

Its not a bad move for a nigh-immortal being - create a "prophecy" in the past and wait long enough to stage manage an event that fulfills the criteria of your "prophecy..."

In fiction we often get treated to the stories about the "pressure points" between the Ecclesiarchy and Mechanicus - but to your average denizen on Mars, the Emperor is indeed the Omnissiah.......perhaps even moreso since he sits on his Golden Throne ....

....until the Void Dragon wakes up

Chaos Daemons were referred to as "anomalies" in the Cult Mechanicus codex. Presumably spacial anomalies?

Interesting. Definitely fits.

Having just finished re-watching the first series of Trek, I can't help but think that they must have been running out of budget.

You can always tell when they're getting a bit tight as you tend to find more 'beings of pure energy', which just so happen to be cheaper to produce than actors...