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HQ: Lord of Change (Only because I really like him)
- Mastery Level 3

HQ: Herald of Tzeentch
-Greater Loci of Change
-Mastery Level 3

HQ: Herald of Tzeentch
-Greater Loci of Change
-Mastery Level 3

HQ: Herald of Tzeentch
-Grimoire of True Names
-Mastery Level 3
-Disc of Tzeentch

Troop: Pink Horror x 13

Troop: Pink Horror x 13

Fast Attack: Screamers of Tzeentch x 5


So the idea would be the Heralds on foot join the Pink Horrors squads and buff their spells making the Primaris Str 6. The Lord of Change also flies around casting spells where needed (I might be swayed to drop him in favor of something else, but I recently painted mine and really liked it and just wanted to use it). Then the rest of the army is just a small screamer star in hopes of getting the right spells. I'd like for this to be built to competitive play so please feel free to rip this list apart and any feedback would be great!

It's the exalted locus of conjuration that makes witchfires +1 Str. Also spamming witchfires is kinda bad because they are so warp charge inefficient. If you want you flicker fire to have 4d6 shots you are going to want to use 7 warp charges to have an ~80% chance of casting it. That's almost half of you start warp charges for a single shooting power. Plus you still have to roll the number of shots and then still roll to hit and such. It just doesn't pan out.

Also you should look at Curse of the Wulfen and Wrath of Magnus bokes because both bokes give a ton of awesome options for tzeentch daemons such as relics the Impossible Robes, Paradox, 3 more powers on the Change discipline, A tzeentch warlord table, new rules for pink horrors, blue horror and brimstone horror units, and a bunch of formations.

Oops you're right it was conjuring. I guess I also forgot to mention that the three heralds are from the new formation in the Wrath of Magnus book. I was going to just take the primaris spell in divination and then dump the rest into the updated change one because they areally good. Would you suggest changing other war gear options? The impossible robe I do like but on lord of change it starts to get pricey and at that point I might be better off taking Fateweaver.


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Oops you're right it was conjuring. I guess I also forgot to mention that the three heralds are from the new formation in the Wrath of Magnus book. I was going to just take the primaris spell in divination and then dump the rest into the updated change one because they areally good. Would you suggest changing other war gear options? The impossible robe I do like but on lord of change it starts to get pricey and at that point I might be better off taking Fateweaver.

The Lord of Change isn't suppose to be a psychic gun boat. It works best as a beat stick that runs up and smashes face. You give it impossible robes, 2 greater rewards for more durability, and a lesser reward for staff of change for +2Str and go punch people. If you just want him to fly around and cast spell just take Fateweaver because he does it better in every way possible.

Also you should have the paradox. Its the best relic after grimoire

Should I trim down the pink horror squads then to make points for the Lord of change and the upgrades? Also who would be best to carry the paradox relic?

I would drop an entire Herald for the upgrades Crownaxe suggests. I know that lowers your ML and you'll have to run the other 2 Heralds in the CAD, but seriously this is a 1000pt list. You will have no issue out "magic-ing" your opponent.

Alternately, you can keep the 3 Heralds, but have 2 of them only ML2 with no Loci. Flickering fire is only reliable in the WF host, where it can be str7 and all units can benefit from the Locus. Should look like this:

LoC - ML3, 2x Greater, 1x Lesser, Robes
ML3 Disc Herald - Paradox
ML2 Herald
ML2 Herald
2x 13 Horrors
6 Screamers
--------------------------comes to a nice Tzeentchy 999 pts

You could even drop the Pink Horrors for Blue Horrors and get back your ML3 & Loci on the 2 Heralds if you really, really want them.

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Sweet! I'll have to try it out. Any suggestions on what disciplines I should roll on? Divination seems okay but wasn't sure if I should just bank on primaris.

With Daemons, you always want Daemonology first. I would start rolling your Paradox Herald first, all 3 powers on Malefic.
If you get at least 2 of the following: Cursed Earth, Incursion or Sacrifice, than you are solid and can roll whatever for the rest. If not, than go for Malefic on your other 2 Heralds, hunting for 2 of those 3 powers again, maybe even Possession.
Once you get Cursed Earth (the most important power to get), then you can start rolling Divination.

Remember that you can roll 1 power at a time until you get what you want, then you can switch disciplines.
So if your Disc Herald get Curse Earth and Sacrifice on his first 2 rolls, move onto Divination.

The thing about heavy psychic lists is that you have to be adaptable. Have a general plan, sure, but realize that you can change it up as needed. But Cursed Earth is FAR more valuable than Prescience, and there are more useful powers in Malefic than Divination (for Daemons anyway).

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Since it's a daemon of Tzeentch don't I have to roll once on the change table? I'm kinda new to psychic powers because the other armies I play are Necrons and khorne

 Tyno2025 wrote:
Since it's a daemon of Tzeentch don't I have to roll once on the change table? I'm kinda new to psychic powers because the other armies I play are Necrons and khorne

No daemons don't have that restriction. Chaos Space Marines are the ones that need to roll at least one power on their God's table.


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The horrors will have to roll on Change though due to the new FAQ.

Awesome! Thanks for all the feedback! I guess my next question is do the horrors count as mastery level 2 if they generate 2 warp charges? Sorry for all the psychic questions but I know little to nothing how most of them work now.

 Tyno2025 wrote:
Awesome! Thanks for all the feedback! I guess my next question is do the horrors count as mastery level 2 if they generate 2 warp charges? Sorry for all the psychic questions but I know little to nothing how most of them work now.

No their don't change mastery level, they just get more warp charges