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Im really wanting to start a 30k Space Wolves army. The only problem is i am not to sure about their pack markings. Also do they have great company hereldry that takes after the wolf lord? Can i just follow the 40k codex for markings, maybe use it as a guide line? Your thoughts would be amazing on this! Thanx guys

While the 30k markings are similar to the 40k markings the 40k markings are incorrect, so far the only information revealed can be found in the burning of prospero set and also on the PDF on the space wolves legion transfers on forge world's website. If you are particularly worried about getting the markings correct it would be best to wait for HH book VII inferno which is coming out in February next year.
the legion transfers, on the page is a pdf guide for what they are
the burning of prospero set from GW

 Glasdir wrote:
While the 30k markings are similar to the 40k markings the 40k markings are incorrect, so far the only information revealed can be found in the burning of prospero set and also on the PDF on the space wolves legion transfers on forge world's website. If you are particularly worried about getting the markings correct it would be best to wait for HH book VII inferno which is coming out in February next year.
the legion transfers, on the page is a pdf guide for what they are
the burning of prospero set from GW

Thank you for your reply. I think ill have to wait till feb to start the army. Its taken me so long to choose a legion, so waiting a little longer to get them right isnt that bad!

No problem always happy to help, especially a fellow fan of the VI legion. If you are looking for inspiration/want to see what the transfers look like I have a few painted minis in my gallery that I have used the legion transfer sheets on as well.

Sorry to hijack the thread, but were Space Wolves packs organised similar to 40K as they were in 30K? I am planning to build Bac and Prospero as Space Wolves and I am not sure how to equip the packs.

 OPULENCE wrote:
Sorry to hijack the thread, but were Space Wolves packs organised similar to 40K as they were in 30K? I am planning to build Bac and Prospero as Space Wolves and I am not sure how to equip the packs.

I really doubt it as all the Legions were organized in a similar fashion prior to the outbreak of the Heresy. During the Great Crusade, all the Legions followed the same force organization. As the Heresy wore on, more and more Legions diverged from the "standard" Legion organization.

It wasn't until after the Horus Heresy and the Breaking of the Legions that the Codex Astartes was written by the Primarch Robert Guilliman, which formalized the Space Marine Chapters, TO&E, tactics, strategy, heraldry, history, etc. etc. The Space Wolves rejected the Codex Astartes and continued to diverge in their organization and tactics, giving rise to "Packs" and "Wolf Lords" instead of Squads and Captains.

40K Space Wolves represent 10,000 years of a Legion's evolution. The 30K version will probably be very, very similar to the other Legions. A couple unique elite choices- some kind of Terminator squad and an elite squad of something. Then 2-4 special characters and the Primarch. I'd bet one of those special characters will be Bjorn before he was entombed in a Dreadnaught. Wolf Guard will be the Elite Terminator squad, and "Grey Hunters" will be the other choice. It'll really irk me if there is a Wolf riding unit. "There are no Wolves on Fenris".

I'm looking forward to the new book and all the fun things it's going to bring!

There are, and always have been (from a Doylist perspective) been big four-legged things that look remarkably like wolves. And are called wolves by everyone.

Going by the Burning of Prospero models, the Space Wolves still have Tactical Squads rather than Grey Hunter packs, but they're using the black and red pack markings. Mind you, they don't quite match with the markings on Bjorn the Fell-Handed's left leg, which are supposed to be Heresy-era markings, but that doesn't matter; all the published material for every other Legion and Chapter in the Horus Heresy, Imperial Armour and Codex books shows that unit markings can be quite variable even in the same squad, so don't worry too much about it.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
There are, and always have been (from a Doylist perspective) been big four-legged things that look remarkably like wolves. And are called wolves by everyone.

It's a quote from the book "Prospero Burns" by Dan Abbot and "A Thousand Sons" by Grahm McNeil that basically says there were no wolves on Fenris until the Space Marine Space Wolves chapter arrived. The strong implications are that the Canis Helix can and does, change humans into both Wulfin and the giant Wolves that are running around on Fenris.

Your thinking of Abductive Reasoning, or the Duck Test. "If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, flies like a duck, it must be a duck." The Doylist Perspective doesn't work because the Thousand Sons say "There are no wolves on Fenris" as a way to emphasis that the wolves on Fenris are actually failed adapters to the Canis Helix. Note that no Space Wolf has ever answered the question "are there wolves on Fenris?" because they know where the wolves come from and don't want anyone else to know. Every chapter has a Dirty Little Secret, and this is the one for Space Wolves. As no Space Wolf acknowledges what the Thousand Sons say, it fails the Doylist Perspective.

I had this same issue a few months back when I started painting my Rout. There's no hard info on it right now. FW minis had grey shoulders with standard squad markings, and it's reflected on the FW transfer sheet. Squad markings are Tac, Assault and Destroyer. Some of the art that's been previewed has white trim. No clue why.

GW's Wolves have the symbols similar to 40k pack markings.

Old fluff in the Visions books had packs divided into Terran and Fenrisian packs so that may come into play.

The one constant I've seen is that the Legion symbol is on the left pad and not Great Company markings. The FW transfer sheet has a few Great Company symbols on it and they look nothing like current ones. There's also something called the Cult of Morkai but we have no idea what that is.

The 13th Company did have their Company symbol instead of their Legion symbol but that was old art.

Basically, we don't know! I went with my own marking scheme as was stated above, markings varied wildly within Legions. So there really is no wrong answer. As long as they have grey armor lol. It's only like another month if you really want a definitive answer though.

My biggest concern is the rumor that the 30k Wolves will be different than the standard Legion army and I'll have to rework a bunch of squads. I hope not but we shall see

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
There are, and always have been (from a Doylist perspective) been big four-legged things that look remarkably like wolves. And are called wolves by everyone.

Well, not anymore, right? The majority of the surface of Fenris except the Fang has been purged of life, and what native tribesmen survived were put down by the Inquisition with Logan's agreement.

I've put pack markings on my tac squad but not on other stuff yet I'm waiting on the book.

According to the Burning of Prospero rules, the Space Wolves from the box, are Veterans. This would make them the equivalent of Wolf Guard in 40K, yet they are running black and red markings, not black and yellow. Sadly, until the Forgeworld book comes out, we're not really going to know for certain how the packs should be marked.

Somehow, i have the feeling that when the book does come out, we're going to see a huge difference between the 2 armies. Older versions of Space Wolves (and thus 30k) had more of a 'Space Viking' feel. Modern Space Wolves are more 'Wolfy McWolfenstein'

Ravingbantha wrote:
Somehow, i have the feeling that when the book does come out, we're going to see a huge difference between the 2 armies. Older versions of Space Wolves (and thus 30k) had more of a 'Space Viking' feel. Modern Space Wolves are more 'Wolfy McWolfenstein'

Don't forget, they are all armed with 'Murder Claws' and 'Frost <insert melee weapon here>', and they somehow developed a 'Freeze Ray' during the Dark Age of Technology where everyone is using 10,000 year old equipment.

It's as I said earlier- ALL the Legions had a similar organization during The Great Crusade, and it wasn't until the end of the Great Crusade and the Horus Heresy that the unique squads and heraldry started to appear. Pack markings will probably be significantly different from what they are in 40K- if they even call them packs. Which I would be surprised if they did, because it would represent the most divergent Legion as represented by Forge World. There will probably be one or two special squads that will be called 'packs', but everything else will still be a squad. The Special Squad will probably be called "Wolf Guard Pack", we'll have Russ as the Primarch, and it would be very surprising if Bjorn pre-Dreadnaught wasn't one of the special characters. After that... it's hard to say what direction Forge World will take the pre-40K Space Wolves without making them feel like "Space Wolves in 30K".