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Hi guys,

I've been debating with myself for a few months and I havent found a real reason to field these guys... like at all. (No zone mortalis over here). Compared to breachers, they're too expensive. They're basically Tacticals with access to more power weapons and special weapons but considering their base cost, I believe they're just too much.

Immortals, Suzerians... regular breachers even, seem to outperform them in pretty much all their areas. What do you guys think?

How would you make them any better or use them for that matter?


Stone Gauntlet prevents deepstriking and they're slow. put them in a Spartan with an apopthecary seems ok until you realize its more than 800 points for the unit that can be destroyed kind of easily.

Thoughts?

Warders are 15 points per model - just like Breachers. However, start-up cost is 255 vs 200 and that.. that is too much.

They can take both Phobos and Proteus if 10 models or a Spartan if 20.

Remember they're WS5 if they're charged.. and for that turn only

Please elaborate :O !

Defensive Grenades take away the extra attacks from the charge but I would expect the EC to run through you quite easily with their initiative.

Would you kit them out them with plasmas?

I'm building 25 guys of them (to switch out loadouts) with 4 plasmas, 2 breacher charges and like 8 power axes. the rest are bolters. One sgt has a thunder hammer.

I'd switch out plasmas with breacher charges if needed and all of that.

Cheers