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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/27 02:30:23
Subject: Trying to figure out how points work
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Fixture of Dakka
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I am trying to make an army. I am about to make some Mourfang minis. (I think that is what they are called from the Icewind Assault box) Thing is it is 2 minimum, and can't remember the max at the moment 12 I think but could be wrong. Thing is, I only have 4 minis anyways so either I will have 2 groups of 2 or one group of 4. Quesiton is, it says 200 points. So am I suppose to pay 200 points for minis or if I wanted 2 groups of 2, that would be 400 points? What am I not understanding here. The way I see it, is I pay for max but if I want less I can use less but going from 12 minis at 200 points to 2 minis at 200 points seems like a big nerf or I should say waste.
Also I can have a few different weapons so how do I pay for points for them, or it's just pick what ever you want and use that?
Any help would be appreciated.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/27 03:24:19
Subject: Trying to figure out how points work
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Clousseau
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ex: 100 points for 5, max 20
That means if I field 5 I pay 100 pts. If I want 10 in that unit, I pay 200 points. If I want 20 in that unit, I pay 400 points.
If I want 9 in that unit, I'm still paying 200 points.
You don't pay points per model, you pay points per unit,a nd if you go less than the number in the unit you can do that but you don't discount the points paid.
You don't pay points for options. You just take whatever you want.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/27 03:39:48
Subject: Trying to figure out how points work
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Irked Necron Immortal
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So first, things like weapons and unit upgrades (musicians, standard bearers, ect.) cost no points. So equip as you want. Keep in mind in most cases you cannot mix weapons in the same unit. No having swords and spears in the same unit. Some units let you take a special weapon on a single model which you can take in place of its normal weapon. Usually seen in Stormcast units.
Points in Matched play do not work like 40k, instead of Points Per Model its Points Per "Block". For example: a Block of basic Infantry is 10 Models and these 10 models are costed at 100 points. For every Block of models you add into a unit you add another 100 points to its cost. However, if you don't have enough models to fill the entire Block you still pay full price. So a unit of basic Infantry with 15 models would cost the same as one with 20 and both cost 200 points.
In your case one unit starts at 200 points for 2 models and you add another 200 points for every pair you add into the unit. Since you have 4 models total you can either go with 2 200 point units or 1 400 point unit. Either way your current max points for the Mourfang is 400. If your max size is 12 models in a unit then you are paying 2400 points for a single unit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/27 03:42:19
Subject: Trying to figure out how points work
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Clousseau
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That also depends on the wording of the unit's equipment options.
If the wording is a UNIT MAY BE ARMED WITH THIS *OR* THIS then that's absolutely right. Its one or the other.
A lot are not worded that way though. For example... great sword wielding dwarves that can also use shields at the same time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/27 04:02:28
Subject: Re:Trying to figure out how points work
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Lieutenant General
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Also note that there's a single exception in the Stormcast Eternals battletome where a single model type (Prosecutors) has two different Warscrolls depending on how they're armed (Celestial Hammers or Stormcall Javelins).
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/27 17:20:27
Subject: Trying to figure out how points work
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Fixture of Dakka
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Thank you very much greatly appreciated. So we are paying for maximum units then.
I still having a hard time wrapping my head around this. It's almost making me want to quit now, because of the "this isn't worth it so I need to buy more minis to get my 'worth'. " Not sure if I am reading this wrong.
So for 3 units I have Icefall Yahetees, Mournfang pack and Frost Sables it says minimum 2 and maximum 12. Let's use the Mournfang pack for example.
Min 2, max 12, cost 200 points. So if I use 2, it costs 200 points, if I use 12 it's 200 points? Or do I go with Aucticus example and it's Min 2 costs 200 points and for 12 I would have to pay 2400?
Going to reread the Generals Handbook again now but just in case I don't see it, where in the Generals Handbook would I read up on it saying it's the minimum squad that costs the points and you add more by adding those points.
How ironic, just as I am getting into Age of Sigmar and half way there to complete my first army I am ready to quit now. :(
*edit*
I think I found it. It's for minimum size unit. So I take it in my case I need to take them in units of 2. I guess the game is very similar to 40K, but I need to stop thinking in 40K terms.
Again, thank you everyone for your help, you have helped me a lot and greatly appreciate it.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/12/27 17:24:48
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/27 18:37:53
Subject: Trying to figure out how points work
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Lieutenant General
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Nevermind.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/12/27 18:54:21
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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