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First may I say, is it just me or does Fall of Cadia/End Wars seems to not be discussed very much (am I just blind? is it really no big deal?).
Ok Several things, so I wondering how the End Wars/Fall of Cadia will effect 40k, not lore wise (well of course I care about that, but that's not what I'm hear to ask). Some have been saying it will age of sigmarify 40k. 1. What the hell does that mean, never played fanatasy, so what is the difference between that and age of sigmar, and why do people treat it like the detah of the frnachise? 2. How likely is this?
Second, please say yes, will the IG still be around (because I have a lot of money invested in them), as they only mentioned the galaxy would survive.
Third, well this is basiclly the general question, what does this mean for 40k, what will change, will anything change?

Meh, I think it is just another campaign book, like Leviathan, Shield of Bal, Mont'ka, Kauyon, The Wrath of Magnus, et al. have been.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Meh, I think it is just another campaign book, like Leviathan, Shield of Bal, Mont'ka, Kauyon, The Wrath of Magnus, et al. have been.

^^^This

It's likely just a campaign book, throw in some formations, at most some new models.

I will say that sadly Imperial Guard are no more, their model line is no longer carried by GW. Now all we can get are these crappy "Astra Militarum" lookalikes.

CommanderRednaxela wrote:
First may I say, is it just me or does Fall of Cadia/End Wars seems to not be discussed very much (am I just blind? is it really no big deal?).
Ok Several things, so I wondering how the End Wars/Fall of Cadia will effect 40k, not lore wise (well of course I care about that, but that's not what I'm hear to ask). Some have been saying it will age of sigmarify 40k. 1. What the hell does that mean, never played fanatasy, so what is the difference between that and age of sigmar, and why do people treat it like the detah of the frnachise? 2. How likely is this?
Second, please say yes, will the IG still be around (because I have a lot of money invested in them), as they only mentioned the galaxy would survive.
Third, well this is basiclly the general question, what does this mean for 40k, what will change, will anything change?

Cadia isn't the only planet that tithes for the Imperial Guard, far from it. They're just the most well known.

Even if Cadia got sucked into a black hole, the Imperial Guard's total strength across the galaxy probably wouldn't drop by even 1%, not to mention all the orphaned regiments that would continue serving all across the galaxy, much like the Tanith 1st. In order to actually wipe out the Imperial Guard you would quite literally need to wipe out most of the Imperium of man, as most planets tithe at least a few regiments at some point.

Realistically, if GW did decide to blow up cadia in some fashion, it would likely be as an excuse to retire the very old cadian plastics and introduce a new plastic regiment (which isn't nearly as far fetched as it sounds, IG really only need 3 boxes to make a regiment, HQ, troop, and heavy weapons) The question would be which regiment they choose at that point, if they didn't decide to make a new one.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

CommanderRednaxela wrote:
First may I say, is it just me or does Fall of Cadia/End Wars seems to not be discussed very much (am I just blind? is it really no big deal?).
Ok Several things, so I wondering how the End Wars/Fall of Cadia will effect 40k, not lore wise (well of course I care about that, but that's not what I'm hear to ask). Some have been saying it will age of sigmarify 40k. 1. What the hell does that mean, never played fanatasy, so what is the difference between that and age of sigmar, and why do people treat it like the detah of the frnachise? 2. How likely is this?
Second, please say yes, will the IG still be around (because I have a lot of money invested in them), as they only mentioned the galaxy would survive.
Third, well this is basiclly the general question, what does this mean for 40k, what will change, will anything change?

Cadia isn't the only planet that tithes for the Imperial Guard, far from it. They're just the most well known.

Even if Cadia got sucked into a black hole, the Imperial Guard's total strength across the galaxy probably wouldn't drop by even 1%, not to mention all the orphaned regiments that would continue serving all across the galaxy, much like the Tanith 1st. In order to actually wipe out the Imperial Guard you would quite literally need to wipe out most of the Imperium of man, as most planets tithe at least a few regiments at some point.

Realistically, if GW did decide to blow up cadia in some fashion, it would likely be as an excuse to retire the very old cadian plastics and introduce a new plastic regiment (which isn't nearly as far fetched as it sounds, IG really only need 3 boxes to make a regiment, HQ, troop, and heavy weapons) The question would be which regiment they choose at that point, if they didn't decide to make a new one.

the cynic in me says they'd simply just make it catachens and thus pare back on the IGs troop boxes to one troop type

BrianDavion wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

CommanderRednaxela wrote:
First may I say, is it just me or does Fall of Cadia/End Wars seems to not be discussed very much (am I just blind? is it really no big deal?).
Ok Several things, so I wondering how the End Wars/Fall of Cadia will effect 40k, not lore wise (well of course I care about that, but that's not what I'm hear to ask). Some have been saying it will age of sigmarify 40k. 1. What the hell does that mean, never played fanatasy, so what is the difference between that and age of sigmar, and why do people treat it like the detah of the frnachise? 2. How likely is this?
Second, please say yes, will the IG still be around (because I have a lot of money invested in them), as they only mentioned the galaxy would survive.
Third, well this is basiclly the general question, what does this mean for 40k, what will change, will anything change?

Cadia isn't the only planet that tithes for the Imperial Guard, far from it. They're just the most well known.

Even if Cadia got sucked into a black hole, the Imperial Guard's total strength across the galaxy probably wouldn't drop by even 1%, not to mention all the orphaned regiments that would continue serving all across the galaxy, much like the Tanith 1st. In order to actually wipe out the Imperial Guard you would quite literally need to wipe out most of the Imperium of man, as most planets tithe at least a few regiments at some point.

Realistically, if GW did decide to blow up cadia in some fashion, it would likely be as an excuse to retire the very old cadian plastics and introduce a new plastic regiment (which isn't nearly as far fetched as it sounds, IG really only need 3 boxes to make a regiment, HQ, troop, and heavy weapons) The question would be which regiment they choose at that point, if they didn't decide to make a new one.

the cynic in me says they'd simply just make it catachens and thus pare back on the IGs troop boxes to one troop type

Not even GW is insane enough to make the plastic Catachans the posterchild infantry for IG. They've actually stopped selling them in stores from what I've heard. A new player getting into killteam had to order them direct from GW a couple of months ago and they came in the unmarked white boxes, which hints to me that GW plans on shelving them for good soon.

Not that they need to shelve the whole range though, the Catachan command squad is actually a new box and is completely different from the infantry squad and heavy weapons boxes. Holding minis side by side you wouldn't even recognize them as being in the same scale, to the point that the heads don't even match up for kitbashes. IF (and big if there) GW decided to make Catachans the poster boys, or even just update the range, they just need two boxes to be updated. We've got how many variant space marine sprues now? I'm pretty sure GW could make their money back on a couple different IG ranges, especially considering most IG players are going to be buying 2-3 times the infantry a space marine player would, and the space marine kits seem to make their investment back easy enough.

This is all getting into speculation and off topic though.

Long story short OP, pretty sure IG are safe. But if Cadia does fall, expect a new IG regiment to be coming out soon.

yeah that's not the realistic part of me so much as the cynical part of me. more likely if they decided to introduce a new guard range to repalce cadians it'd be an attempt at createing a uniform and distinct look for IG.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

CommanderRednaxela wrote:
First may I say, is it just me or does Fall of Cadia/End Wars seems to not be discussed very much (am I just blind? is it really no big deal?).
Ok Several things, so I wondering how the End Wars/Fall of Cadia will effect 40k, not lore wise (well of course I care about that, but that's not what I'm hear to ask). Some have been saying it will age of sigmarify 40k. 1. What the hell does that mean, never played fanatasy, so what is the difference between that and age of sigmar, and why do people treat it like the detah of the frnachise? 2. How likely is this?
Second, please say yes, will the IG still be around (because I have a lot of money invested in them), as they only mentioned the galaxy would survive.
Third, well this is basiclly the general question, what does this mean for 40k, what will change, will anything change?

Cadia isn't the only planet that tithes for the Imperial Guard, far from it. They're just the most well known.

Even if Cadia got sucked into a black hole, the Imperial Guard's total strength across the galaxy probably wouldn't drop by even 1%, not to mention all the orphaned regiments that would continue serving all across the galaxy, much like the Tanith 1st. In order to actually wipe out the Imperial Guard you would quite literally need to wipe out most of the Imperium of man, as most planets tithe at least a few regiments at some point.

Realistically, if GW did decide to blow up cadia in some fashion, it would likely be as an excuse to retire the very old cadian plastics and introduce a new plastic regiment (which isn't nearly as far fetched as it sounds, IG really only need 3 boxes to make a regiment, HQ, troop, and heavy weapons) The question would be which regiment they choose at that point, if they didn't decide to make a new one.

the cynic in me says they'd simply just make it catachens and thus pare back on the IGs troop boxes to one troop type

Not even GW is insane enough to make the plastic Catachans the posterchild infantry for IG. They've actually stopped selling them in stores from what I've heard. A new player getting into killteam had to order them direct from GW a couple of months ago and they came in the unmarked white boxes, which hints to me that GW plans on shelving them for good soon.

Not that they need to shelve the whole range though, the Catachan command squad is actually a new box and is completely different from the infantry squad and heavy weapons boxes. Holding minis side by side you wouldn't even recognize them as being in the same scale, to the point that the heads don't even match up for kitbashes. IF (and big if there) GW decided to make Catachans the poster boys, or even just update the range, they just need two boxes to be updated. We've got how many variant space marine sprues now? I'm pretty sure GW could make their money back on a couple different IG ranges, especially considering most IG players are going to be buying 2-3 times the infantry a space marine player would, and the space marine kits seem to make their investment back easy enough.

This is all getting into speculation and off topic though.

Long story short OP, pretty sure IG are safe. But if Cadia does fall, expect a new IG regiment to be coming out soon.

At least they're still selling the Catachans though. They're doing fine. Stop complaining.

GW is clearly trying to capitalize on evolving and sensationalizing a 40k era event in a similar fashion as FW has done with their 30k era Horus Heresy series... but unlike FW, GW doesn't seem to be investing a proportional level of resources and thus aren't drumming up enough excitement.

While Cadia itself might not be that significant in the number of soldiers it provides relative to the galaxy, it is a Fortress world, a central logistical hub for several major fleets, and a linchpin in it's Segmentums defense. The Segmentum Obscura has 6 different sectors and the main fleets of 3 of those sectors are home based in the Cadian system. If Cadia falls the vast majority of that 1/5th of the Imperium is likely to fall to Chaos.

I think its because there are just so much wild rumors and theories the book isn't out no one has even read it.

What is there to discuss until we know more concrete? I mean allegedly we have Eldar, Dark Eldar, IoM, Black Templars, Sisters, Saint Celestine, Cadian Forces, Abbaddon, tons of chaos crap, and now a recent shot of white dwarf says Trazyn the Infinite is there so that means Necrons. Also the Ad Mech.

Like holy gak what the hell could we possible even speculate with all those players? There's so many ways it could go until we read it there is nothing to discuss.

I'm sure once we see a spoiler of the story the 40k background forum and even this one will lose its gak for awhile.

I will say that sadly Imperial Guard are no more, their model line is no longer carried by GW. Now all we can get are these crappy "Astra Militarum" lookalikes.

I'm pretty sure they are the same thing, like Adepta Sororitas/Sisters of battle or Adeptus Astartes/SM.

Meh, I think it is just another campaign book, like Leviathan, Shield of Bal, Mont'ka, Kauyon, The Wrath of Magnus, et al. have been.

Thats probably a good bet, though I did hear something about 8th ed. (actually thought it was a movie first time I watched it, still waiting on an IG movie, some day, well probably never)

Cadia isn't the only planet that tithes for the Imperial Guard, far from it. They're just the most well known.

I know, but if Cadia falls and the Emperor is also potenialy going to die from what I hear (damn throne is failing him), could lead the IoM in a pretty bad point, and well they just said the galaxy would be left.

Long story short OP, pretty sure IG are safe. But if Cadia does fall, expect a new IG regiment to be coming out soon

Very well, I have a tank only company so far, so no worries if the troops change looks, if they do plan on adding a regiment.

GW is clearly trying to capitalize on evolving and sensationalizing a 40k era event in a similar fashion as FW has done with their 30k era Horus Heresy series... but unlike FW, GW doesn't seem to be investing a proportional level of resources and thus aren't drumming up enough excitement.

That could explain it.

What is there to discuss until we know more concrete? I mean allegedly we have Eldar, Dark Eldar, IoM, Black Templars, Sisters, Saint Celestine, Cadian Forces, Abbaddon, tons of chaos crap, and now a recent shot of white dwarf says Trazyn the Infinite is there so that means Necrons. Also the Ad Mech.

Like holy gak what the hell could we possible even speculate with all those players? There's so many ways it could go until we read it there is nothing to discuss.

I'm sure once we see a spoiler of the story the 40k background forum and even this one will lose its gak for awhile.

Probably a good idea.

They're bringing back the emperor because they think that's why people like Horus heresy.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Meh, I think it is just another campaign book, like Leviathan, Shield of Bal, Mont'ka, Kauyon, The Wrath of Magnus, et al. have been.

That's how it begins! We thought we were safe, we thought Sigmars Blood and Blood in the Badlands were just fun little campaign books. How foolish we were. The End Times are upon you my friends, covet your points costs while you still have them...

I'm sorry but someone made mention of Trazyn. What's he up to?

That's how it begins! We thought we were safe, we thought Sigmars Blood and Blood in the Badlands were just fun little campaign books. How foolish we were. The End Times are upon you my friends, covet your points costs while you still have them...

What the hell did GW do to fantasy, why is Sigmar looked upon with such disgust, please explain this (I have no bloody idea what the difference between Sigmar and Fatanasy is)

Well, the imperial guard is probably the third largest faction in all of 40K. 1st might be Tyranids, 2nd Orks, 3rd IG and with those 3 you basically have 99% of the armies in the 40K universe
You can kill a Space marine chapter (though even Black Templars seem to come back...), you could even kill a Chaos Legion (though obviousely even Emperors Children have survived somehow after declaring war on all the other legions...), however, GW has done nothing like it. Yeah, squats, but they were basically just a fraction of IG. Don't worry, the IG will survive.

CommanderRednaxela wrote:

That's how it begins! We thought we were safe, we thought Sigmars Blood and Blood in the Badlands were just fun little campaign books. How foolish we were. The End Times are upon you my friends, covet your points costs while you still have them...

What the hell did GW do to fantasy, why is Sigmar looked upon with such disgust, please explain this (I have no bloody idea what the difference between Sigmar and Fatanasy is)

They blew it up. Literally. The whole fantasy setting sucked into a chaotic black hole, to be replaced by some high fantasy gak about space marines fighting chaos. Rule-wise, they condensed the nuanced movement, magic phase and combat formations into a 4 page up and under batter. It's not a terrible setting (If you're a fan of Norse Mythology, because that's exactly what it is, to the letter), and it's not a terrible game...now. When it came out there were no points costs, no army restrictions besides OP artificially imposed synergies and ridiculous rules like ''If i have a better mustache then you, i can re-roll to hit'', but those rules have been cut and points costs added. It's just not even a similar game to what fantasy used to be, and almost anyone who liked fantasy for what it was will hate the dumbed down high fantasy realm of abstraction and banality. Judged on it's own qualities I have no qualms, judged as a fantasy player it's an abomination. It also has stupid names.

And as someone who DID pay close attention to ramp up towards the Fantasy End Times, I can see loads of parallels between were 40K is going. Except unlike fantasy, 40K isn't savable by a Ninth edition. You couldn't ''fix'' what is wrong with 40K with just a few rule tweaks like we could've (and have done, looking at how big The Ninth Age has become) with fantasy. 40K is a bloated mess with barely the slightest scrap of balance. Age of Sigmar has far more incommon with 40K than it ever did with fantasy, so maybe the transition will be cleaner. But based on how abysmally they handled AoS, i doubt it.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm sorry but someone made mention of Trazyn. What's he up to?

He collects..


Ezekyle.

Hey it could be worse than an immortal alien zoo keeper who likes to collect puny humans. One of his contemporaries is a time traveler imagine him meddling in the 13th crusade. We would be playing the 13th crusade over and over again until he was satisfied with the outcome ...

In our rumour timeline, The Fall of Cadia will be released early this year whilst 8e is rumoured a release in June/July (can't remember which one).

As for your questions:
Sigmarification involves completely destroying the fluff and greatly simplifying the rules. Will this happen to 40k? Maybe sort of. The rumours are suggesting the rules will be simplified, an alarming quote being "no toughness"(!?), and we will be getting warscroll like things instead of codeces. However I don't believe they will butcher the fluff quite as badly as AoS.
How likely is this to happen? Well it was rumoured quite a while ago and there is still I while to go so, if it had been a reliable leak, they may have changed the concept: decided to keep toughness, codeces, etc.
They will never scrap IG, too much money comes from those guys.

The fall of Cadia will not be the start of 8e, it will be the start of the road to 8e. my bet is 8e will come at around the time of the second war of Terra.

well if they do change the IG around hope they fix the Heavy Weapons squads and make them mobile(access to a Chimera) if desired.

As for new miniatures for IG and what regiment, why not do several regiments. As someone said, its not like there are many different models to make the core of an IG army. If they did it right and made it easy to kit bash, would open up a lot of options for IG players who can have literally hundreds of miniatures in a game

 1hadhq wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm sorry but someone made mention of Trazyn. What's he up to?

He collects..


Ezekyle.

-_- I meant in regards to Cadia, thanks

Eldar are a race without a homeworld. So are others. I dont think Cadia models will go anywhere

Warhams-77 wrote:
Eldar are a race without a homeworld. So are others. I dont think Cadia models will go anywhere

First and Only also says hi.

icn1982 wrote:
As for new miniatures for IG and what regiment, why not do several regiments. As someone said, its not like there are many different models to make the core of an IG army. If they did it right and made it easy to kit bash, would open up a lot of options for IG players who can have literally hundreds of miniatures in a game

^ This. The Imperial Guard is supposed to be composed of thousands if not millions of regiments. Yet if you walk into a store you'll be lucky to have 2 regiments to choose from - Cadian/Catachan. The rest you have to order online and most of those models are 10-15 year old pewter ranges. I don't think its to much to ask for some of the older regiments to see an update or see some new regiments introduced. Hopefully with the Fall of Cadia it will open up some new opportunities. I think anyone who was interested in the Cadian aesthetic has likely made their investment. After all there has been what...1-2 pewter, 1-2 plastic, and numerous Cadian models available on Forgeworld?

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Well, the imperial guard is probably the third largest faction in all of 40K. 1st might be Tyranids, 2nd Orks, 3rd IG and with those 3 you basically have 99% of the armies in the 40K universe
You can kill a Space marine chapter (though even Black Templars seem to come back...), you could even kill a Chaos Legion (though obviousely even Emperors Children have survived somehow after declaring war on all the other legions...), however, GW has done nothing like it. Yeah, squats, but they were basically just a fraction of IG. Don't worry, the IG will survive.

IG fans feel proud your the second most owned.

http://www.totellstories.com/40k/

For the lazy the most owned armies are. More detailed stats in the link.

Tier 1: Space Marines
Tier 2: IG, Orks, Tau (just barely being beat out by orks and growing fast), Chaos Space Marines
Tier 3: Eldar, Tyranids, Chaos Deamons, Dark Eldar, Necrons, Imperial Knights, Inquisition, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Grey Knights, AdMech
Tier 4: Khorne Deamonkin, Harlequins, Sisters of Battle

Edit
This survey is from early last year when AdMech were shiny and new. GW makes the best start collecting boxes for those who are selling fast. So if/when a new survey pops up I would expect to see AdMech/Skitarri rise higher. There is also no Deathwatch or GSC data.

They blew it up. Literally. The whole fantasy setting sucked into a chaotic black hole, to be replaced by some high fantasy gak about space marines fighting chaos. Rule-wise, they condensed the nuanced movement, magic phase and combat formations into a 4 page up and under batter. It's not a terrible setting (If you're a fan of Norse Mythology, because that's exactly what it is, to the letter), and it's not a terrible game...now. When it came out there were no points costs, no army restrictions besides OP artificially imposed synergies and ridiculous rules like ''If i have a better mustache then you, i can re-roll to hit'', but those rules have been cut and points costs added. It's just not even a similar game to what fantasy used to be, and almost anyone who liked fantasy for what it was will hate the dumbed down high fantasy realm of abstraction and banality. Judged on it's own qualities I have no qualms, judged as a fantasy player it's an abomination. It also has stupid names.

So GW slaughtered their rules got rid of point (no fething idea how that works), murdered their lore(damn if GW does that to 40k, I shall ensure they feel the wrath of the Emperor) and streamlined it.

Ok 1. Thats pretty bad. the whole rule thing is pretty bad, but I mean GW isn't the best when it comes to balancing.
2. No idea how no points works, but I think that is a recipe for diaster
3. NO BY THE EMPEROR'S HOLY FURY NO!! SUCH FOUL HERESY SHALL BE PUNISHED!!
4. No. Don't do that.

The fall of Cadia will not be the start of 8e, it will be the start of the road to 8e. my bet is 8e will come at around the time of the second war of Terra.

Ya, thats what I meant.

The rumours are suggesting the rules will be simplified, an alarming quote being "no toughness"(!?), and we will be getting warscroll like things instead of codeces. However I don't believe they will butcher the fluff quite as badly as AoS.

SAVE THE FLUFF!! Please no streamlining, I came here for complex fluff and rules (and because IG are super grimdark and cool, soviet/roman inspiration!!)

As for new miniatures for IG and what regiment, why not do several regiments. As someone said, its not like there are many different models to make the core of an IG army. If they did it right and made it easy to kit bash, would open up a lot of options for IG players who can have literally hundreds of miniatures in a game

This would be optimal.

IG fans feel proud your the second most owned.

I thought we were beat by Eldar and Orks (they are the big three in relic's eyes). Well, that means that the GUard shouldn't die out, completly. Of course the IoM won't because SMs(did I say I hate them with a passion)!!

Tier 1: Space Marines
Tier 2: IG, Orks, Tau (just barely being beat out by orks and growing fast), Chaos Space Marines
Tier 3: Eldar, Tyranids, Chaos Deamons, Dark Eldar, Necrons, Imperial Knights, Inquisition, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Grey Knights, AdMech
Tier 4: Khorne Deamonkin, Harlequins, Sisters of Battle

Thanks for the link, quite an interesting set of statistics. SoB should rise if they are actually releasing plastic models(please, no more 80$$ squads).