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I am trying to get back into the hobby and thought that updating my 5th Ed Death Guard army with the Traitor Legions supplement would be a good start.

Death Guard Vectorium

Command
Lord of the Legion
Demon Prince [220 pts]
- Mark of Nurgle
- Wings
- Power Armor

Core
Plague Colony
Chaos Lord [140 pts]
- Veterans of the Long War
- Mark of Nurgle
- Bike
- Power weapon
- Sigil of corruption

Plague Marines x7 [248 pts]
- Veterans of the Long War
- Plasma gun x2
- Power sword
- Rhino

Plague Marines x7 [248 pts]
- Veterans of the Long War
- Plasma gun x2
- Power sword
- Rhino

Plague Marines x7 [248 pts]
- Veterans of the Long War
- Meltagun x2
- Power fist
- Rhino

Plague Marines x7 [248 pts]
- Veterans of the Long War
- Meltagun x2
- Power fist
- Rhino

Auxiliary
Fist of the Gods
Warpsmith [125 pts]
- Veterans of the Long War
- Mark of Nurgle

Vindicator [125 pts]
- combi-bolter

Vindicator [125 pts]
- combi-bolter

Vindicator [125 pts]
- combi-bolter

Currently the list is 1852 points and i would like to make it work. Do i try and find something to remove to drop the list down under 1850 or do i turn the Fists of the Gods formation into a CAD and drop the Warpsmith which would let me get a few more unit upgrades and a few spawn. Comments, critiques and suggestions welcome.

Hey do you really want to stick to the plague colony?

Normal CSM with Mark of Nurgle in a Death Guard Vectorium are better and cheaper now.

If you want to make a Plague Colony, you have to take 7 Plaguemarines, because the Bonus is by far better if you take 7 units.

So if you want this and also want to take fists of the gods, i would recommend, that you go down to 5 Plagues per squad.

Try something like this:

Plaguecolony
Chaoslord
-Powerfist, Boltpistol, Mark of Nurgle, VotlW

2x 5 Plaguemarines
- 2x Plasma each
- Rhino per Squad

5x 5 Plaguemarines
- 2x Meltas each
- Rhino per Squad

Fist of the Gods

Warpsmith
- Mark of Nurgle, Poweraxe, Boltpistol, VotlW

3x Vindicators with Kombi-Bolter

That's exactly 1850 Points.

You see that it really adds up. I would recommend a Warband + Fists or another aux. But if you wanna stick to the Colony, i think you should go into the direction of my shown list.

Hope i could help you a bit.

The problem with the PM spam list is that it doesn't synergize with the Plague Colony bonus. Sure you have the numbers to get the final bonus but are much weaker in close combat where the bonuses take effect.

You're absolutely right, that's why most DG Players don't consider the Plague Colony.

The Bonus before 7 PM Squads are not that good and 7 PM Squads eat up your points limit very quickly.

As i said take a Warband + Fist of Gods. You get the same PMs without a Plagueknife and Blightgrenades, but that's not worth 6 Points more per Modell.

If you have concerns about what to do with your Plaguemarines Models, play them as normal Marines with Mark of Nurgle. Nobody will say anything if you do so.

This is just a list using models i currently have, and updating a list that did well in the past. I do intend on making a Warband list but still use the Plague Colony.

The Plague Colony bonuses are really good at de-buffing enemy models. They would be best used in multi-charges where you can use the PM to de-buff and then let another squad with higher initiative do the killing.

I have thought about the Fist of the Gods detachment and i really dislike the warpsmith tax, he is too many points for such a low chance at being useful, so i am going to CAD the Vindicators. The CAD list is as follows:

Death Guard Vectorium

Command
Lord of the Legion
Demon Prince [230 pts]
- Mark of Nurgle
- Wings
- Power Armor
- Gift of mutation

Core
Plague Colony
Chaos Lord [170 pts]
- Veterans of the Long War
- Mark of Nurgle
- Bike
- Plaguebringer
- Sigil of corruption
- Gift of mutation

Plague Marines x7 [248 pts]
- Veterans of the Long War
- Plasma gun x2
- Power sword
- Rhino

Plague Marines x7 [248 pts]
- Veterans of the Long War
- Plasma gun x2
- Power sword
- Rhino

Plague Marines x7 [248 pts]
- Veterans of the Long War
- Meltagun x2
- Power fist
- Rhino

Plague Marines x7 [248 pts]
- Veterans of the Long War
- Meltagun x2
- Power fist
- Rhino

Auxiliary
Spawn
Spawn [36 pts]
- Mark of Nurgle

Combined Arms Detachment
Vindicator [140 pts]
- combi-bolter
- demonic posession

Vindicator [140 pts]
- combi-bolter
- demonic posession

Vindicator [140 pts]
- combi-bolter
- demonic posession

I think making the Vindicator CAD with posession gains more than it loses and it frees up some more points for some fun upgrades.

In order to take a CAD you need to include 1 HQ and 2 Troops in it. These have to be separate from the ones included in the Vectorium (units can't belong to multiple detachments). So it would actually end up being more expensive than the Fist of the Gods formation, since you just need the 1 Warpsmith from it and don't need any troops.

Ah, good to know. CAD and formations are why i stopped playing 40k and always confuse me.

I guess the question still stands then, what could i do to drop this down to 1850?

Well to take the vindicators you either need to take a warpsmith, or another hq and two troop.

Warpsmith is.. better. just. You'll have to drop one unit of plagues, which is sad.



Here's a tip to cheer you up. Daemonic possession costs 15 points.
The legacy of the Vessel of Dhornurgh the Reborn or the Vessel of Tzenahk the Occluder costs 10 points, and Include daemonic possession as part of their rules. Saving you 5 pts, and they come with cool special rules on top.

I think the only easy and logical way to get this list under 1850 is to drop a combi-bolter from a Vindi.

Death Guard Vectorium

Command
Lord of the Legion
Demon Prince [220 pts]
- Mark of Nurgle
- Wings
- Power Armor

Core
Plague Colony
Chaos Lord [140 pts]
- Veterans of the Long War
- Mark of Nurgle
- Bike
- Power weapon
- Sigil of corruption

Plague Marines x7 [248 pts]
- Veterans of the Long War
- Plasma gun x2
- Power sword
- Rhino

Plague Marines x7 [248 pts]
- Veterans of the Long War
- Plasma gun x2
- Power sword
- Rhino

Plague Marines x7 [248 pts]
- Veterans of the Long War
- Meltagun x2
- Power fist
- Rhino

Plague Marines x7 [248 pts]
- Veterans of the Long War
- Meltagun x2
- Power fist
- Rhino

Auxiliary
Fist of the Gods
Warpsmith [125 pts]
- Veterans of the Long War
- Mark of Nurgle

Vindicator [125 pts]
- combi-bolter

Vindicator [125 pts]
- combi-bolter

Vindicator [125 pts]