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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/08 11:04:14
Subject: Does a Dark Apostle counteract LD penalties?
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Journeyman Inquisitor with Visions of the Warp
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Here is the scenario I want to look at.
Say you have a Sorcerer, a Dark Apostle, and a Culexus Assassin all within 6".
- The Culexus Assassin applies a -3 Ld modifier to any psyker model within 12".
- The Dark Apostle's leadership value "must be used" by friendly units within 6".
- The Sorcerer uses the Dark Apostle's leadership, which isn't affected by the Culexus.
What value is the Sorcerer's leadership?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/08 15:22:52
Subject: Does a Dark Apostle counteract LD penalties?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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7, because the sorcerer uses the Dark Apostle's 10 and the Culexus drops it by 3.
Unless the Sorcerer is Stubborn.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/08 15:43:48
Subject: Does a Dark Apostle counteract LD penalties?
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
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Minus modifiere are applied before set modifiers, and "Use Apostle's LD" is a set modifier. I'd say 10
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/08 15:48:00
Subject: Does a Dark Apostle counteract LD penalties?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Elric Greywolf wrote:Minus modifiere are applied before set modifiers, and "Use Apostle's LD" is a set modifier. I'd say 10
Is using someone else's leadership even a modifier or simply instructions on how to determine your leadership value?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/08 15:57:08
Subject: Does a Dark Apostle counteract LD penalties?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Elric Greywolf wrote:Minus modifiere are applied before set modifiers, and "Use Apostle's LD" is a set modifier. I'd say 10
It's not a set modifier. It's just st a replacement for your kid before you even start to consider what ld you have.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/09 00:54:59
Subject: Does a Dark Apostle counteract LD penalties?
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Journeyman Inquisitor with Visions of the Warp
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You're not instructed to use "LD10"... you're instructed to use the Apostle's leadership.
And as far as I can see, the Apostle does not recieve a -3 modifier.
Order of events wouldn't make any difference if you interpret it that way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/09 05:01:47
Subject: Does a Dark Apostle counteract LD penalties?
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
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'Modifiers' tells us that set values are specific numbers:
"...or even setting its value (1, 8, etc.)"
The Dark Apostle's 'Demagogue' special rule states, "Friendly units from this codex within 6" of a Dark Apostle must use his Leadership instead of their own."
Clearly no set value is given, so 'Demagogue' is not a set value modifier.
You would use the Demagogue's Leadership instead of the Sorceror's own, and then apply the -3 modifier from the Culexus Assassin's 'Psychic Abomination' special rule.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/09 05:08:15
Subject: Does a Dark Apostle counteract LD penalties?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Use the Demagogue leadership. However, careful because a sly opponent may use abilities to lower the demagogues leadership and drop everything elses around it.
See Tyranid Deathleaper.
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