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Just less than a year ago I made a 2kpts summoning list with decent firepower for its type. With the new Pink Horror rules and Word Bearers now summoning on a 3+ the list became even more scary. Below is the list which has been adjusted to bring it down to 1850pts. The words are from what I posted last time (with adjustments due to list adjustments), but also bear in mind the increased effectiveness with the new rules:

"So what do most summoning lists lack? Decent damage output. So how can we make a summoning list with a good damage output? Well R&H have some very cheap units with exceptionally good damage output for their points. But to make sure that the summoning side doesn't suffer, im going to also include a Typhon with the Death of Kasyr Lutien as this allows a d6 reroll on any failed test for each hull point remaining - thus allowing upto 6 rerolls when at full health. Also a portalglyph and the blue scribes to contribute some free summoning.

Renegades and Heretics:
Arch demagogue with covenant of tzeentch, primaris rouge witch and ML2
4 disciples with granade launcher

3 spawn

3 spawn

10 mutants

10 mutants

3 rapier laser desteoyers
Militia training

3 rapier laser destroyers
Militia training

2 Quad Launchers

Deamons:
The blue scribes

Herald of tzeentch
ML3, exalted (portalglyph)

Herald of tzeentch
ML2

Herald of tzeencth
ML2

Herald of tzeentch
ML2

11 pink horrors

11 pink horrors

CSM:
Sorceror
ML3, spell familiar

Sorceror
ML3, spell familiar

10 cultists

10 cultists

Typhon with ceremite and Death of Kasyr Lutien

1849pts

So 21+d6 power dice a turn, with rerolls on fails on all the sorcs spells and rerolls on upto 6 more dice of choice making casts far more reliable. Blue scribes add WC for any of the opponents successful rolls and casts a free spell a turn. Portalglyph pumps out small deamon units.
All the while there are 6 tl bs3 st9 ap1 ordnance shots, 8 st5 ap5 blasts, an 1 st10 ap1 ignores cover primary weapon 7" blast, all of which are on durable platforms. 6 spawn to distract and get in the opponents face whilst summoning gets started." Also 40 bubble wrap bodies to help against pods, deepstrike and first turn charges.

If you don't care about how many detachments you've got you can put all those Heralds in the Heralds Anarchic formation and they'll each generate an additional warp charge. Also you really want Paradox on one of those Heralds. Guarantees a WC3 summon on 5 dice.

:-o nice! I need to check out that formation!

Pretty straightforward - 3-9 Tzeentch Herald and each Herald generates one additional warp charge as long as it's on the field.

There's also a formation with the blue scribes + 3 units of blue horrors which get a decent bonus against psykers. If you took that, and the Heralds anarchic (which are great) you would qualify for a pandemoniad detachment, which lets you swap the 're roll 1's on saves for a blanket 4++ on your tzeentch daemons. Worth considering.

Also 3 units of 11 blues is about the same points as two units of 11 pinks, but you can start with 6WC.

You absolutely want the Paradox on one of those Heralds if you're summoning... Easiest way to guarantee a new unit arrives every turn.

Thanks guys. Just discovered that Pink Horrors have gone up in price too from 99 to 140 for 11 (although that doesn't divide by 11 so I'm assuming 154pts, but heard 11 Blue Horrors are just shy of 100pts). So will be looking at taking those quad launchers out and making a pandemoniad detchment with the points instead when I get a moment.


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I'm assuming Heralds are the same points though?

Poly Ranger wrote:
Thanks guys. Just discovered that Pink Horrors have gone up in price too from 99 to 140 for 11 (although that doesn't divide by 11 so I'm assuming 154pts, but heard 11 Blue Horrors are just shy of 100pts). So will be looking at taking those quad launchers out and making a pandemoniad detchment with the points instead when I get a moment.


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I'm assuming Heralds are the same points though?

No they didn't. Pink Horrors didn't change price, and Blue Horrors are no where near that expensive either.

Is this some houserule you are playing with?

 CrownAxe wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:
Thanks guys. Just discovered that Pink Horrors have gone up in price too from 99 to 140 for 11 (although that doesn't divide by 11 so I'm assuming 154pts, but heard 11 Blue Horrors are just shy of 100pts). So will be looking at taking those quad launchers out and making a pandemoniad detchment with the points instead when I get a moment.


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I'm assuming Heralds are the same points though?

No they didn't. Pink Horrors didn't change price, and Blue Horrors are no where near that expensive either.

Is this some houserule you are playing with?

No it was just what I gathered after searching for the new formations. I must have misunderstood a few posts. This is good news as I have the Daemon dex (and IA:13, CSM dex and Traitor Legions) but not the Tzeentch dex, so I know the points cost if they haven't changed and means I don't have to find points in the list. Will update the list asap.


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Renegades and Heretics:
Arch demagogue, primaris rouge witch and ML2
4 disciples with granade launcher

Sentinel with heavy flamer

Sentinel with heavy flamer

Sentinel with heavy flamer

10 mutants

10 mutants

3 rapier laser destroyers
Militia training

3 rapier laser destroyers
Militia training

4 Quad Launchers

Deamons:
Pandemonium of Tzeentch
Lorestealer Host
The Blue Scribes

11 Blue Horrors

11 Blue Horrors

11 Blue Horrors

Heralds Anarchic
Herald of tzeentch
ML2, exalted (portalglyph)

Herald of tzeentch
ML2 (Paradox)

Herald of tzeencth
ML2

Herald of tzeentch
ML2

CSM:
Sorceror
ML3, spell familiar

Sorceror
ML3, spell familiar

10 cultists

10 cultists

Typhon with ceremite and Death of Kasyr Lutien

1849pts (if Blue Horrors are 2/3's the points of a Pink Horror... can lose a Sentinal if not and need a few more points)

3 Detachments only.
So that is now 26+d6 power dice, with rerolls on the sorcs because of the familiars (and who are casting summons on a 3+), up to 6 rerolls for everyone else, Blue scribes adding to the WC pool for each opponents casts and also casting a free spell each turn. Portalglyph to summon a free unit a turn and Paradox to guarantee a summon with 5 dice.
Losing the spawn, covenant and one psyker level off a herald, means the ability to have bought the Paradox, 3 Sentinels (who will roadblock like the spawn), and 2 more quad launchers to make their firepower into 16 st5 barrage blasts.

Realistically with more than 30 average WC and a free summon a turn (portalglyph) with all the rerolls, you are looking at an easy 7 units summoned a turn... It could quite possibly outnumber a flying circus in the amount of FMCs by the close of turn 3 (although if it does, a lot of the psykers will be gone)... let alone all the other summons that will have gone off. To top that off is the renegade firepower... even stronger now the spawn are gone.

I would drop a Mastery level somewhere (probably your Primaris witch) and add it to the paradox Herald to maximize the chance of getting incursion with that model. Being able to reliably summon screamers or plague drones is awesome.


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Also Blue Horrors are a flat 5 points per model so you've probably got a few more points to play around with than you realize. Be aware though that Horrors of all varieties lost the ability to roll on Malefic (can only roll on change discipline) so you won't be getting as many possessions as before and if you do cast it its going to cost you a Herald or a Sorceror instead of a measly unit of Blue Horrors. Still though turning a Herald into a LoC isn't a bad thing.

Thank you, that's excellent news. That means an extra 33 points to play with.
So firstly the swapping a ML around so the paradox has ML 3 like you suggested. Then I'd give one Sorc Malefic Tome for 4 rolls on Malefic and the other Sorc The Scripts of Erebus for a one use extra d6 WC points. Upgrade the granade launcher to an autocannon and with the remaining points grab an extra body for the quad launchers.
Yeh it sucks that Horrors can't summon anymore (although that's a more than fair trade off for split and 55pts for 2 WC) but the list will still get 17 rolls (and 7 primaris) on the Malefic table across 7 models, not including the Horrors rolls or the Blue Scribes free spells.
Now I have got rid of the Covenent of Tzeentch and Spawn, there is no need for the Primaris Witch to be Warlord. Are the Pandemonium Warlord Traits any good if I make a Herald the Warlord instead?

Poly Ranger wrote:
Thank you, that's excellent news. That means an extra 33 points to play with.
So firstly the swapping a ML around so the paradox has ML 3 like you suggested. Then I'd give one Sorc Malefic Tome for 4 rolls on Malefic and the other Sorc The Scripts of Erebus for a one use extra d6 WC points. Upgrade the granade launcher to an autocannon and with the remaining points grab an extra body for the quad launchers.
Yeh it sucks that Horrors can't summon anymore (although that's a more than fair trade off for split and 55pts for 2 WC) but the list will still get 17 rolls (and 7 primaris) on the Malefic table across 7 models, not including the Horrors rolls or the Blue Scribes free spells.
Now I have got rid of the Covenent of Tzeentch and Spawn, there is no need for the Primaris Witch to be Warlord. Are the Pandemonium Warlord Traits any good if I make a Herald the Warlord instead?

The Pandemonium Warlord Traits just use the Tzeentch Warlord Traits from Curse of them Wulfin and 5 of the traits are very good

Thanks. Just looked at them. They look good!