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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/11 14:15:05
Subject: [1850] - WarConvo w/ Cawl - Competitive
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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War Convocation
Battle Congregation
Belisarius Cawl
[200]
(3) Kataphron Destroyers
Grav, Flamers
[165]
(3) Kataphron Destroyers
Grav, Flamers
[165]
[530]
Skitarii Battle Maniple
(10) Skitarii Vanguard
Omnispex, 3x Plasma Calivers, Arc Maul, Quantum Annihilator, Conversion Field, Digital Weapons
[100]
(10) Skitarii Rangers
3x Arc Rifles, Arc Maul, Arc Pistol, Conversion Field, Digital Weapons, Memento-Mortispex, Omnispex
[120]
(6) Ruststalkers
Prehensile Dataspike, Digital Weapons, Conversion Field, Omniscient Mask
[190]
(6) Infiltrators
Pater Radium, Blasters/Goads, Digital Weapons, Conversion Field, Infoslave skull
[220]
(3) Sydonian Dragoons
Serpentas
[135]
(2) Dunecrawlers
Icarus Arrays (or Neutron), Cognis Heavy Stubber, Cognis Manipulator, Mindscanner Probe
[180]
[945]
Oathsworn Detachment
Knight Warden
Stormspear (or Icarus), Meltagun
[375]
[1850]
I haven't settled on the kit for the Dunecrawlers and Knight. Basically, if I go Neutron, I will go Icarus and vice versa. Not sure how many flyers I am actually likely to see.
[url=http://natfka.blogspot.com/2017/01/fall-of-cadia-in-hand-formations-and.html]
Relics, for reference:[/url]
Quantum Annihilator - Replaces a weapon. Range: 18", S 2d6, AP2, Assault D3, Quantum Paradox - Each time it fires, roll 2d6 to determine strength after target unit has been chosen. If it rolls above 10, it wounds automatically with Instant Death rule (or is an auto Pen against vehicles)
Memento-Mortispex - At the start of each of your turns, choose a rule to apply to the bearer and their unit (or weapons as appropriate): Cognis Weapons (BS2 snapfire, Flamers do 3 hits rather than d3 with Wall of Death in overwatch), Monster Hunter, Skyfire or Tank Hunter
Pretty nifty stuff and free for the WarConvo, which is always nice.
Cawl will join up with the Kataphrons, which seems the only logical pairing, even if it puts him down to majority toughness 5 vs his 6.
I start with 9 units on the table, so it seems like I will likely lead with Shroudpsalm (Stealth & Shrouded) or War Hymnal (4++). Just gives me a way to weather any potentially nasty first and second turns (again, depending on various factors). I think with the Canticles (both varieties!) and the Doctrina, the stacking abilities for the army are pretty absurd.
Any thoughts? Seem strong enough to handle a heavily competitive environment with a lot of TFGs?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/11 19:40:57
Subject: [1850] - WarConvo w/ Cawl - Competitive
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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Srop 1 dunecrawler and take a bunker. Nice to put your grav in. I would take 1 Icarus array most likely.
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~Ice~
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/11 21:22:01
Subject: [1850] - WarConvo w/ Cawl - Competitive
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Dakka Veteran
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NVM, I thought battle congregation had 2 HQ slots.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/11 21:27:38
Subject: [1850] - WarConvo w/ Cawl - Competitive
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Hooded Inquisitorial Interrogator
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You can't take 2x Dominos in war convo.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/11 21:32:32
Subject: [1850] - WarConvo w/ Cawl - Competitive
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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It seems like a crime not to push Cawl up the field into combat. Is the bunker really worth it? And I could always cut out some Dragoons to make room for a bunker, so I don't have to lose the firepower of the Dunecrawlers (and their 4++).
Also, debated on the Pater vs Autopurger. I think the "no saves" thing might give the Pater a one-up. Though the T test at I10 is really nice.
I don't dig the Casket. Seems too situational, imo.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/11 21:42:03
Subject: [1850] - WarConvo w/ Cawl - Competitive
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Dakka Veteran
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Yeah for Cawl to make back his points he has to get into assault. He shoots comparably to a Dominus, but is far tankier and better in combat. The point of the bunker is really the escape hatch so he can get up the field easier (effective 18" of movement first turn instead of 6"). EDIT: This list has Dominus and Cawl, and goes heavy on kataphrons. WarCon (1484) Tech-Priest Dominus (105pt.) -- memento mori 3x Kataphron Destroyers (165pt.) -- grav/flamer 3x Kataphron Destroyers (165pt.) -- plasma/flamer 1x Bunker 55pts 5x Skitarii Vanguard (55pt.) -- 2 plasma + Numinasta's Casket of Electromancy (30pts) - Once per game, can fire this instead of another ranged weapon. Automatically targets and hits all enemy units (including Flyers and Flying Monstrous Creatures) within range, regardless of LoS. Range: 2d6", S3, AP -, Assault 1, Haywire, One Use Only. 5x Skitarii Rangers (65pt.) -- 2 plasma + Quantum Annihilator (30pts) 5x Sicarian Ruststalkers (160pt.) -- omniscient mask 5x Sicarian Infiltrators (185pt.) -- Saint Curia's Autopurger (25pts) - Models charging the bearer and their unit do not get extra attacks for charging. All models that are locked in combat with the bearer and their unit must pass a Toughness test at I10 step, or suffer 1 Wound for each test failed (can take saves as normal). Ironstrider Ballistarii (55pt.) -- lascannon, hides behind bunker and takes potshots Onager Dunecrawlers (90pt.) -- icarus Knight Warden (425pt.) -- blinged Allied Detachment (365) Cawl (200pt) 3x Kataphron Destroyers (165pts) -- grav/phosphor
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/11 23:31:08
Subject: [1850] - WarConvo w/ Cawl - Competitive
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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Wulfey wrote:Yeah for Cawl to make back his points he has to get into assault. He shoots comparably to a Dominus, but is far tankier and better in combat. The point of the bunker is really the escape hatch so he can get up the field easier (effective 18" of movement first turn instead of 6").
Hm. That is a bit gamey, especially in an already cheese list. :/ I will probably pick up a bunker to give it a try, but not sure I will go that route too often. I want to have friends to play with, after all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/12 13:23:05
Subject: [1850] - WarConvo w/ Cawl - Competitive
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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Well although he can get out of the hatch to get closer he can not charge out of it so its really not that janky.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/13 21:09:38
Subject: Re:[1850] - WarConvo w/ Cawl - Competitive
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Isn't the War Convocation a Cult Mechanicus formation? Wouldn't that preclude you from bringing an Allied Detachment of Cult Mechanicus? Also with this method Cawl wouldn't get his reroll FNP since he can't be the warlord in an Allied Detachment, no?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/13 21:18:38
Subject: [1850] - WarConvo w/ Cawl - Competitive
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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Icelord wrote:Well although he can get out of the hatch to get closer he can not charge out of it so its really not that janky.
Still though... I worry about the groans I will get as it is.
Not that I am not going to get a bunker and AdMech it out, because that project sounds fun, but I won't likely play that outside of highly competitive games.
I figure I could cut two of the Dragoons and have plenty of points to mess about with. Could even bump it from a Dragoon to a Ballistarii w/ a Las and snipe from behind, as I think has been mentioned here. Would work nicely. The only items I currently don't own are Cawl and the Bunker, so that is always good.  Keeps my purchases light. Now to figure out how to make a badass looking AdMech bunker!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/14 15:13:15
Subject: [1850] - WarConvo w/ Cawl - Competitive
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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Well, I'd consider the IK Crusader.
More bangs for the bucks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/14 15:15:25
Subject: [1850] - WarConvo w/ Cawl - Competitive
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Jinking Ravenwing Land Speeder Pilot
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Knight Warden
Stormspear (or Icarus), Meltagun
[375]
You actually don't get a carapace-mounted weapon with the base Warden, so you'd have to pay extra points for a Stormspear or Icarus.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/14 16:42:48
Subject: [1850] - WarConvo w/ Cawl - Competitive
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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Retrogamer0001 wrote:Knight Warden
Stormspear (or Icarus), Meltagun
[375]
You actually don't get a carapace-mounted weapon with the base Warden, so you'd have to pay extra points for a Stormspear or Icarus.
WarConvo, so free upgrades.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/14 16:45:39
Subject: [1850] - WarConvo w/ Cawl - Competitive
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Jinking Ravenwing Land Speeder Pilot
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em_en_oh_pee wrote: Retrogamer0001 wrote:Knight Warden
Stormspear (or Icarus), Meltagun
[375]
You actually don't get a carapace-mounted weapon with the base Warden, so you'd have to pay extra points for a Stormspear or Icarus.
WarConvo, so free upgrades.
Ah, didn't realize, very cool stuff
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