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Simple question.

If I decide to build an Inquisitorial Henchman Warbound from the Codex: Inquisition, what prevents from me using the Jokaero data file found in Codex: Imperial Agent?

What's the difference between that formation and the formation you have in Codex: Imperial Agents?

We're supposed to take what's in C:IA as updated versions of the rules, so you could take that to mean that you should be using the updated version of the Jokaero. Of course, that means you should be using the updated versions of the Acolytes and the other units that also appear in C:IA.

 doctortom wrote:
What's the difference between that formation and the formation you have in Codex: Imperial Agents?

We're supposed to take what's in C:IA as updated versions of the rules, so you could take that to mean that you should be using the updated version of the Jokaero. Of course, that means you should be using the updated versions of the Acolytes and the other units that also appear in C:IA.

The issue is, is that the fall of cadia book still displays both books as being correct and by following the space wolves FAQ that says both Iron Priest dataslates are ok to use then by that same meaning these are ok to use however I believe the inquisition warband one is purchased as part of a warband unit which does specify the one in that codex so I would be inclined to say no you cant

Not at all.

C:IA is completely stand alone from Codex Inquisition and does not replace it.

This can be evidenced from the Castellans of the Imperium formation which allows you to take an Inquisitorial Henchman Warband as an elite choice (specifying from Codex Inquisition). This cannot be done from codex Imperial Agent since it's an actual formation in there and not a unit.


Some added clarification

The grey knight formation from CIA requires a troop choice OR an elite choice and optional heavy support. The only choices available in this book are: Terminators, Interceptors and Dreadknight.

However nothing prevents you from using any other choices from the grey knights codex. The faction is the same.


My question is a little bit more complex however since it's not only taking a unit from a different book, but taking a data file from a different book to use in a unit from another book when you consider that both of those data files have the same name.

A Warband is one Dataslate, just like a SM Tactical Squad is one Dataslate. You can't mix and match between Dataslates just because they have the same name and faction. You need to use the whole 'slate to make a unit.

Now if C:IA has an Warband Dataslate with Faction Inquisition that is an Elite choice, there's not reason it couldn't be used in the Detachment detailed in C:=I=. But no mixing two dataslates into one unit.

The C:Inq Henchmen aren't a formation, they're a UNIT.

You can't replace options of a unit with models from a completely different unit. It's really that simple.

Oh, and: Yes, C:Inq and C:IA are both valid source books, but that just means that you could use either an C:Inq or a C:IA Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor as part of the C:IA Warband.

Codex: Inquisition does indeed present a Unit and not a formation. This is what allows it to be part of the castellans of the imperium detachment.

Now the Unit is an Elite slot. Directly from the book, it allows to chose from (removed point values):


"An Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband must consist of between 3 and 12 models, chosen in any combination, from those listed below:
- Acolyte - Xpts/model
- Arco-flagellant - X pts/model
- Crusader - X pts/model
- Daemonhost - X pts/model
- Death Cult Assassin - X pts/model
- Jokaero Weaponsmith - X pts/model
- Ministorum Priest - X pts/model
- Mystic - X pts/model
- Psyker - X pts/model
- Servitor - X pts/model"

Now if I am taking the Jokaero Weaponsmith from Codex: Imperial Agents, it appears I am still fulfulling the requirements. The unit name is the exact same and the Faction is also the same as they are Inquisition units in both books.


Can someone outline the rule that prevents us from doing this? The imperial agent jokaero is obviously better and would be a great addition to the hechmen warband from codex inquisition. If this is not allowed however I want to understand exactly why.

In the Castellans detachment it specifies that your source for the warband is Codex Inquisition.

Hence you use that source for the unit and models within.

Using the newer Jokaero is a nice idea - I have 2 myself and would allow it in a casual game - but it's just trying to game the system really.

In the SM codex, it has a unit called Tactical Squad, and a model called "Space Marine," and it lists options for the Space Marine.
In the DA codex, it has a unit called Tactical Squad, and a model called "Space Marine," and it lists options for the Space Marine.

I would equate what you're trying to do with trying to take DA Marine options on a SM Marine, since they are the same unit with the same model name. The fact that they are different factions holds no relevance for me, just as the fact that Jokareo and Jokaero are the same faction holds no relevance for me. That doesn't matter one whit.

Why don't you just take the Elite unit in C:IA and use it in your Inquisitorial detachment? Why are you insisting on mixing two different dataslates?

 Elric Greywolf wrote:


Why don't you just take the Elite unit in C:IA and use it in your Inquisitorial detachment? Why are you insisting on mixing two different dataslates?

Not OP, but...
Codex Inquisition has an elite unit called Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband which is a valid choice for Castellans
Codex Imperial Agents has a formation called Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband which is not a valid choice for Castellans.

Ok wait, so there's a Formation with a Jokaero in it, and OP is trying to pull a model out of that Formation and stick it into a unit in a different codex? How would that ever be ok??

Formations have set model/unit requirements. You cannot remove them and stick them elsewhere at a whim.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Ok wait, so there's a Formation with a Jokaero in it, and OP is trying to pull a model out of that Formation and stick it into a unit in a different codex? How would that ever be ok??

Formations have set model/unit requirements. You cannot remove them and stick them elsewhere at a whim.

There's a formation that allows Jokaero, to be taken in it, but Jokaero have their own datasheet in the book which lets them function as a unit. You don't need the formation to take those Jokaero.

To be fair to OP, Games Workshop have created a situation where the unit "Jokaero Weaponsmith" is in two valid, published codices with the same points cost, faction etc... except one is slightly better than the other.

Makes no sense at all to have not updated the Codex Inquisition version.

It's as if there was a different Codex Space Marines with Scouts still on BS3... and a brand new book that came out this week referred to it.

I can understand why you might think "wait there's a new version of this model"

I still think the answer is no, though!

It sounds like "Jokaero Weaponsmith" is a unit in C:IA, while it is a model choice in a unit called "Warband" in C:I.

You can't take a unit and stuff it inside another unit. That would be like me trying to take Tau Pathfinders and putting them inside Eldar Pathfinders. Just, no.

Voldrak wrote:
Simple question.

If I decide to build an Inquisitorial Henchman Warbound from the Codex: Inquisition, what prevents from me using the Jokaero data file found in Codex: Imperial Agent?

I don't think you can mix and match the two versions even if they are both valid since the first book has a dataslate for that unit? I could definitely see the desire to mix and match though. Inquisition got a bunch of upgrades and downgrades.