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So I'm working on painting Magnus the Red, specifically the Chest plate, and on each side of the central Raven heads to his armor is a Twin tailed comet. Am I missing something on the design of Tzeentch, a possible link to the Fantasy world, or just some random thing the sculptor threw in? If it makes a difference, there are also a couple of winged skeletons on his armor as well.

That's actually really interesting.

How cool would it be to tie in AoS , 40k, and Mordheim... Heroes of the Storm GW style?

On the GW Youtube channel, the creator talks about how he built story and lore elements into the armor. I think he mentions one or two specifics, but leaves the rest vague with an ominous comment about how some of it hasn't happened yet. (Or something.)

Can we have a picture, please ? Twin tailed comet is the symbol of Sigmar, isn't it ?

I've got the images, just seems the internet hates me today, so I'm having a hard time getting them to post.


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It's not till you get such close up pics, do you realize how much touching up one needs to still do.

Well there was this statement a while ago ; )




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AoS could still be in the same universe if all those fragmented realms etc are just islands in the warp. It isn't unheard of for a planet in 40k to be engulfed into and be destroyed by the warp

 oldzoggy wrote:
Well there was this statement a while ago ; )




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AoS could still be in the same universe if all those fragmented realms etc are just islands in the warp.

They did state, though, that they are separate universes a while back too.

GW has been all over the place with Fantasy and 40k being in the same universe. The 'End Times' series had 2 inferences in it that leads one to believe they are both in the same galaxy and that Fantasy is actually world in the 40K timeline. GW just really needs to sit down and hammer out their own storylines so it's consistent. However, if they are both in the same galaxy, it's still interesting that a Primarch for Chaos would have the symbol for the god of the Empire on his armor.

It isn't the sign for a god. Its the symbol representing the most powerful omen that is linked to significant events that change the history of the world.


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One could say that its a symbol of foretold fate and change.

imo that looks nothing like the twin tailed comet though.

More like standard Tzeentch flame-graffiti. The Tzeentch symbol isn't supposed to ever look the same twice. It's always changing.


In fact, I think the bog standard tzeentch logo looks more like the twin tailed comet than the artistic depiction of it in his armour does.

And GW will never DEFINITIVELY confirm nor deny that 40K and AoS exist in the same universe. They think it is too funny to watch us try to figure it out.

I am not sure if the fluff for AoS retconned all of the "World that was" fluff, but I was fairly certain they did exist within 40K, if nothing other than the Old Ones existing in both worlds and arriving in the Old World via space ships (source, Lizardmen Armybook, 7th and/or 8th edition). As a bonus it was confirmed that Orcs were also brought from space, accidentally by spores stuck to the Old Ones ships.
The only portion of the theory that has room for debate is when the 2 timelines sync up.

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Fantasy/AoS actually exists in the far FUTURE, well after 40k. After all, Slaanesh is born in 40k, and dies in Fantasy - That can't happen if Fantasy comes first.

 Purifier wrote:
imo that looks nothing like the twin tailed comet though.

More like standard Tzeentch flame-graffiti. The Tzeentch symbol isn't supposed to ever look the same twice. It's always changing.


In fact, I think the bog standard tzeentch logo looks more like the twin tailed comet than the artistic depiction of it in his armour does.

It's not the Tzeentch Symbol, the Tzeentch symbol has to 'tails' coming out opposite end of the central orb, one long and one very short. The ones on Magnus' armor are close to the same length and both come out the same hemisphere of the orb.

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Fantasy/AoS actually exists in the far FUTURE, well after 40k. After all, Slaanesh is born in 40k, and dies in Fantasy - That can't happen if Fantasy comes first.

While I agree that AoS is not in the Past of 40K, I can't agree that it's the far future eiher. Especially using your argument.
Slaanesh has always existed in 40K, yet was also only "born" 10K year ago. The Warp is funny like that. How else could Belakor have been created by all FOUR chaos powers, yet have existed long before the rise of the Eldar civilization (much longer before it's Fall).

My theory is that the Old Ones came to the Old World after the War in Heaven.
For those that do not know, the War in Heaven is a mythical event told by the Eldar that recalls that Battle of their gods. This is also the war between the Old Ones (the true Eldar creators/gods) and the Necrontyr. Literally all hell breaks loose and the Old Ones vanish for the 40k galaxy.
I believe they then fled to the Old World to start over with whatever it was they were doing in the 40K universe. The Old World was a planet surrounded by Warp Storm and thus separate for the rest of the universe.
AoS being little "pocket realms" has further supported this idea

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While I don't know much in the ways of lore quite yet, I would say the comets look very similar.

Personally I'm of the belief that the AoS/Fantasy world exists in the current timeline of 40K. There's plenty of stories about 'backwater' worlds in 40K, so there's no reason to believe that the Fantasy world isn't as well.

I've also heard the idea that the Slann settled that planet in an attempt to hide from the Necrons. They set up devices to suppress technology past a certain point in order to keep the Necrons away. I can't help but wonder if perhaps there were some of the Pillars on the planet like the ones on Cadia, that were holding back Chaos. Perhaps the reason the Fantasy world went to crap and cracked apart, was the catalyst needed to get the 13th Black Crusade going.

Waaaghpower wrote:
Fantasy/AoS actually exists in the far FUTURE, well after 40k. After all, Slaanesh is born in 40k, and dies in Fantasy - That can't happen if Fantasy comes first.

"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff." -The Doctor.