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Hi there guys!

There's a tournament coming up in my local area, and I'm wanting to field a mixed Imperial Army. I play a bit of most things in the Imperial Agents dex, and am wanting to combine things like Deathwatch, Grey Knights, Assassins, Inquisition, Celestine etc.

But one of the rules of the tournament is that a list can be composed of no more than three detachments. I was hoping to take the Daemonhunter Strike Force from Imperial Agents twice, but that is already 2 out of my 3 detachments used up. I think that makes it impossible for me to field everything else I was wanting.

I have the rules that came with the Celestine model, but I'm afraid I'm a little unsure of how to use her in an army. Am I able to run a CAD out of the main rulebook and then use Celestine in place of the HQ choice? i.e. Could I run a Grey Knights / Deathwatch CAD and use Celestine as the compulsory HQ choice? Alternatively, could I use the special detachment from the GK book and have Celestine as the HQ? Or is Celestine a formation/detachment of her own? Where does it explain how I can use her?

Also, if anyone knows of any helpful advice for how to construct a list with limited detachments available, it would be much appreciated.

Thanks for your time

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A Combined Arms Detachment must have all its units come form the same Faction, it is one of its Restrictions.

So, if you want to take Celestine as an HQ, the Troops have to match her Faction as well.

Celestine may come in a Formation, but I don't have her book. If you do, look up a page/datasheet with the 3 skulls where the Role is usually listed for a unit's datasheet. This will indicate a Formation (and hence, a detachment).

Strike Forces are of questionable useage because some tournaments consider each Formation Choice a Detachment as well, meaning you could take one Strike Force (1st Detachment), its Core Choices (2nd Detachment), an Auxiliary Formation Choice (3rd Detachment), and any non-Formation Auxiliary Choices you have.

In Necron terms, a Decurion with the Reclamation Legion (Core) and Canoptek Harvest (Auxiliary), could take a Star God Choice (pick one unit) but not a Deathbringer Flight or Royal Court as they have reached their 3 Detachment limit.

So, check in with your organizer to know how they are dealing with them. It may have changed now that a good number of Factions have access to these Choice Detachments now.

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 Charistoph wrote:
A Combined Arms Detachment must have all its units come form the same Faction, it is one of its Restrictions.

So, if you want to take Celestine as an HQ, the Troops have to match her Faction as well.

Celestine (along with Cawl and Grayfax) have a special rule allowing them to be taken in any IoM Combined Arms or Allied Detachment:

It is important to note that any of these powerful characters can be included as an HQ choice in a Detachment belonging to their Faction as normal, but each of them can also be included as an HQ choice in any Combined Arms or Allied Detachment comprised of an Armies of the Imperium Faction (such as Astra Militarum or Space Marines), regardless of the individual character’s actual Faction.

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 Ghaz wrote:
 Charistoph wrote:
A Combined Arms Detachment must have all its units come form the same Faction, it is one of its Restrictions.

So, if you want to take Celestine as an HQ, the Troops have to match her Faction as well.

Celestine (along with Cawl and Grayfax) have a special rule allowing them to be taken in any IoM Combined Arms or Allied Detachment:

It is important to note that any of these powerful characters can be included as an HQ choice in a Detachment belonging to their Faction as normal, but each of them can also be included as an HQ choice in any Combined Arms or Allied Detachment comprised of an Armies of the Imperium Faction (such as Astra Militarum or Space Marines), regardless of the individual character’s actual Faction.

Interesting. Obviously, this rule takes precedence per Basic vs Advance.

But the rest of the units in the CAD would still have to be the same Faction, so all Grey Knights or Astra Militarum, as they do not have that rule.

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 Charistoph wrote:

In Necron terms, a Decurion with the Reclamation Legion (Core) and Canoptek Harvest (Auxiliary), could take a Star God Choice (pick one unit) but not a Deathbringer Flight or Royal Court as they have reached their 3 Detachment limit.


This may or may not be correct for this specific event--OP didn't give enough information.
ITC is the main proponent of 3-detachment limits, and their house rules say that Decurion-style lists count as 1 detachment, so you can find as many detachments under that umbrella as you like.
So in ITC, Charistoph's example list is 1 detachment, not 3.

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Thanks so much guys. Yes it is an ITC event and has that rule about decurion style lists.

Are there any "strike force" style detachments that would allow the combination of the formations found in Imperial Agents? The closest thing I can seem to find are the formations listed in fall of cadia, which are very prescriptive and don't allow for GK or Deathwatch and have a high troops tax.

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What about the Castellan? It's a detachment made up of msot of the IoM factions.

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Sadly I think that there are no Grey Knights or Deathwatch in the Castellan, and the Inquisition are in the elites section so I'd still have to grab 4 troops choices.

I'd love to run two Daemonhunter strike forces for the double Dreadknight and interceptors without the troops tax, but with everything else I want to run it sounds like that may not be an option.

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Elric Greywolf wrote:
 Charistoph wrote:

In Necron terms, a Decurion with the Reclamation Legion (Core) and Canoptek Harvest (Auxiliary), could take a Star God Choice (pick one unit) but not a Deathbringer Flight or Royal Court as they have reached their 3 Detachment limit.


This may or may not be correct for this specific event--OP didn't give enough information.
ITC is the main proponent of 3-detachment limits, and their house rules say that Decurion-style lists count as 1 detachment, so you can find as many detachments under that umbrella as you like.
So in ITC, Charistoph's example list is 1 detachment, not 3.

Way to ignore what was stated right before and after what you quoted and taking it out of context.

Charistoph wrote:Strike Forces are of questionable useage because some tournaments consider each Formation Choice a Detachment as well, meaning you could take one Strike Force (1st Detachment), its Core Choices (2nd Detachment), an Auxiliary Formation Choice (3rd Detachment), and any non-Formation Auxiliary Choices you have.

In Necron terms, a Decurion with the Reclamation Legion (Core) and Canoptek Harvest (Auxiliary), could take a Star God Choice (pick one unit) but not a Deathbringer Flight or Royal Court as they have reached their 3 Detachment limit.

So, check in with your organizer to know how they are dealing with them. It may have changed now that a good number of Factions have access to these Choice Detachments now.

SOME tournaments were set up this way. I haven't followed them recently so I am unaware of how much has changed, and I have been without an LGS till just a couple months ago. But when the Decurion was first released, this was the standard in order to reduce its power (as they were only the ones with it). More of these types of detachments have been released since then, so I would not be surprised that the most common tournament formats have since gone away from it.

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Are there any other decurion style detachments that would allow for the the detachments from C:IA to be fielded as part of a wider formation/detachment?

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superwill wrote:
Are there any other decurion style detachments that would allow for the the detachments from C:IA to be fielded as part of a wider formation/detachment?
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Considering all of the decurion detachments made so far were made before C:IA came out the answer is no
   
 
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