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Hello! So I'm trying to build a pure Tz list and I'm starting out at 1250. I could really use some thoughts on this list, ultimately I'm looking to add magnus and a couple units of cultists but right now I want to focus on the demon aspect. After trading some units from my other armies that I wasn't really using and a gift card and good old pay day I've purchased the new Change Host for Tz demons that went up this weekend. I'm looking to buy another one next paycheck as well as think it's a perfect set. I also have the WoM, and CotW books.

Anyways I'm going to post my list so far and I'll make notes on the units I do have (blue) and don't (red) and I want to post what I'm looking for in the future for larger games.

So here goes, let me know what you would do!

Formation: Omniscient Oracles
Lord of Change: ML3, Impossible Robe, Lesser Reward
Kairos Fateweaver
Formation: Heralds Anarchic
3 x Heralds of Tzeentch: ML2, Disc
CAD
The Changeling

2 x 11 Pink Horrors (I have one unit)

4 x Screamers of Tzeentch.

How does that look? I think I'll buy the Sigmar Tz Heralds because I like the look of them.
My thinking is I could summon some things (I should have a flaming chariot, flamers, and some Screamers I could bring in. The Changeling would hide in one of the units of horrors helping to create more blue horrors and adding psychic dice. I should start with 18 dice before the D6. One of the Heralds will run with the Screamers to create a small star of pain. Nothing OP that I can see but I feel it's a fun start. What could I do differently/better?

Here's what I think I want/have currently

Magnus the Red
Lord of Change
The Changeling
Herald of Tzeentch
10 pink horrors
13 blue horrors
10 brimstone horrors
3x screamers of Tzeentch
3 flamers of Tzeentch
1 exalted flamer
1 flaming chariot

And then these are the units I think I would benefit from having
Double previous with LoC swapped for Kairos
4x disc heralds
10x khorne bloodletters
3 plague drones
+10x pink, blue and brimstone horrors
Demon Prince

Thoughts greatly appreciated!

So this is suspiciously like my Tzeentch Ascendant list, 1850pts.

Allied Detachment
Changeling
19 Horrors
9 Screamers

Heralds Anarchic
1st: Disc, Greater Trickery, PML3
2nd: Disc, Paradox, PML3
3rd: Exalted Reward (Grimoire), Exalted Creation, PML3

Omniscient Oracles
Fatey
LoC, 2 Greater, Lesser, PML3
LoC, Robes, 2 Greater, Lesser, PML3


Discs go with Screamers, rolling for Cursed Earth and Forewarning. Changeling and Grimoire goes with Pinks, rolling for Cursed Earth. The Changeling is a charge deterrent.


I feel like my list is a good one for you to build up to.

That looks exactly like where I would like to go with this! I may be able to try something like this sooner rather than later as well.

I'll have to research the codex a little more to see about those rewards.

So, two of your discs are going with the screamers rolling on Div & Daemonic (right?) Changeling rolls for Daemonic. What are you wanting to roll your LoC's on? (Why two?) and Fateweaver?

Update/Edit

How's this for 1500?

Heralds Anarchic:
Tzerald: Disc, ML3, Locus of Trickery
Tzerald: Disc, ML3, Paradox
Tzerald: Disc, ML3 Locus of Creation, Endless Grimoire

Omniscient Oracles
Kairos Fateweaver
LoC: ML3, Robes, 2 Greater & 1 Lesser reward

Allied Detachment:

The Changeling

16 Pink Horrors ( I think this still gives me 3WC right?)

5 Screamers

Fortification Detachment:

Aegis Defense Line

Can I have a fortification as a detatchment? Do I need to change my allied detachment to a CAD?

Take two LoCs because two is better than one? They are beasts in CC. The lesser reward makes them S8 all the time. The greater rewards give some insane survivability bonuses (rerolling invulns? +1 wound? 4+FnP? yes please!)

I'd probably do one LoC on Divination and one on Change. Keep them nearish the Screamer Tzerald for Cursed Earth.
Precognition (Div) on a LoC is bonkers.

And yeah, Changeling would probably go on Malefic.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
So this is suspiciously like my Tzeentch Ascendant list, 1850pts.

Allied Detachment
Changeling
19 Horrors
9 Screamers

Heralds Anarchic
1st: Disc, Greater Trickery, PML3
2nd: Disc, Paradox, PML3
3rd: Exalted Reward (Grimoire), Exalted Creation, PML3

Omniscient Oracles
Fatey
LoC, 2 Greater, Lesser, PML3
LoC, Robes, 2 Greater, Lesser, PML3


Discs go with Screamers, rolling for Cursed Earth and Forewarning. Changeling and Grimoire goes with Pinks, rolling for Cursed Earth. The Changeling is a charge deterrent.


I feel like my list is a good one for you to build up to.

Trying to understand your list, whats your Primary Detachment? Omniscient Oracles ?

Yes, for Fatey's Warlord Trait

Can't have an allied detachment that's the same faction as your primary.

Yeah, just split 30 points of horrors off into brimstones and call it a CAD. You get an extra warp charge too.

This may be a dumb question but can I take the discipline of Change from curse of the wulfen as opposed to the one in the codex? What about the one from wrath of magnus?

Curse of the Wulfen table absolutely. It replaces the one in the daemons. The wrath of Magnus Tzeentch table is for units with Mark of Tzeentch or Daemon of Tzeentch that are taken from the CSM Codex or the CAM portions of the wrath of Magnus book

Ah very helpful... another question that's probably silly. I know that people used cursed earth with daemons but I don't see malefic being listed for anyone in the codex. What gives?

If i am right the psychic powers in the curse of the wulfen book is the only daemon powers eligable now. Also wrath of magnus is the new CSM ones for tzeentch. Didn´t think you could use older rules

 digital-animal wrote:
Ah very helpful... another question that's probably silly. I know that people used cursed earth with daemons but I don't see malefic being listed for anyone in the codex. What gives?

I think the BRB says that all psykers have access to Daemonology unless explicitly stated otherwise. Also could be something in the new FAQ but i haven't read it yet.

 astro_nomicon wrote:

 digital-animal wrote:
Ah very helpful... another question that's probably silly. I know that people used cursed earth with daemons but I don't see malefic being listed for anyone in the codex. What gives?

I think the BRB says that all psykers have access to Daemonology unless explicitly stated otherwise. Also could be something in the new FAQ but i haven't read it yet.

I believe its a FAW GW put through so people who are playing Pink/Blue Horrors cant spam summoning with all the warp chargers they can get.

According to the BRB & Daemon FAQ, all psykers have access to Malefic Daemonology (except GKS & Nids).
The Horror entries in the Wrath of Magnus replace the Pink horror entry in the Daemon Codex. Those Horrors have been denied access to Malefic vie the WoM FAQ.

So all Daemon Faction psykers can access Malefic except Horrors & Belakor (because he doesn't generate powers, but just knows Telepathy)

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 digital-animal wrote:
Ah very helpful... another question that's probably silly. I know that people used cursed earth with daemons but I don't see malefic being listed for anyone in the codex. What gives?

The codex was written before Malefic powers existed so they were added via FAQ

Anyone notice the part about Tzeentch daemons and the +3 leadership tidbit in the FAQ? The answer was strange as it kind of implies they can use that benefit when making leadership checks related to perils of the warp, but doesn't explicitly state it. That's also contradictory to what was written in the draft FAQ if I remember correctly. What gives?

I think it is saying the Daemons of Tz have +3 LD during their Psychic phase, meaning yes, they are normally LD10 for Perils tests.

 astro_nomicon wrote:
Anyone notice the part about Tzeentch daemons and the +3 leadership tidbit in the FAQ? The answer was strange as it kind of implies they can use that benefit when making leadership checks related to perils of the warp, but doesn't explicitly state it. That's also contradictory to what was written in the draft FAQ if I remember correctly. What gives?

Daemon of Tzeentch has always done that since 7ed started. Perils is resolved while manifesting a psychic power which is when you get +3Ld