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I was able to get my Lord of Change mini. It will be a while before I can buy some more minis. I have found 2 people to play Age of Sigmar now without points or don't mind using "counts as". So what I would like do is start use some of my Tyranid minis as "counts as" Tzeench minis. Thing is for now, I don't know what to use as what.

I have 3 Hive Tyrants, two of them as flyrants.
I have a bunch of Stealers from Space Hulk and a few from Battle for Macragge set.
A few Warriors
2 Venomthropes
An old Zonathrope not put together yet.
A bunch of hormagaunts
A bunch of gaunts.
One unassembled lector
An unassembled Red Terror.
A bunch of rippers and 3 Forge World rippers.
A carnifex
A Trygon
1 crone/harpie
In assembled pod (dang forgot the Nid name for it)
2 sets of Overkill. I guess I can't use the minis that have guns, but maybe I can use the Abberants and stealers in there.
10 gargoyles assemebled and 10 gargoyles unassembled.

So what I have not assembled I am thinking of painting them into Tzeench colours and if it goes well, might strip the paint of my other minis and paint them into Tzeench colours as well ir just leave them as be.

So not knowing how the Tzeench army works yet and what is what, does anyone can give me good ideas what I should use what for "counts as"? Looking forward to add to my Silver Tower set but sort of lost how to use my NIds as "counts as".

Would love to hear from you for any advice you can give me until I can start buying more Tzeench minis. Really excited in a long time for doing something in the hobby. Just hope my depression doesn't kick in again. So please help to keep me going.

Well, it's hard to say, really. Tzeentch and Nids are so far out from one another that there's no clear analogues. Your best bet is to have your models stand in for things with the same base size, and just stay consistent with what functions as what until you fill out the rest of your Tzeentch forces.

I wouldn't worry about painting your nids in specific colours for AoS unless you really like the colour scheme on your nids as a standalone, since they are going to be filler to be replaced anyway. It'll be fine for friendly games, but I personally wouldn't play against such an army in a tournament or otherwise organized setting (scenario play, for example).

I'm going to refernece points going forward, even though you're not currently playing with them, just for the sake of establishing army scale. For now, just focus on small games, keep things under 1000 points. With the Start Collecting! box, you'll be able to reach between 940-1060 points with your Lord of Change and the contents of the box alone, which is a solidly sized force to start out with. And for $100, it's also fairly economical. And since Tzeentch is also very generous with his battleline units, expanding beyond that in just about any direction will then be very easy. If you throw in the contents of the Silver Tower set you mentioned in your previous thread, you could even end up with something like this quite quickly:

1500 points
Lord of Change
Herald of Change
Ogroid Thaumaturge
Gaunt Summoner of Tzeentch

Burning Chariots of Tzeentch
Flamers of Tzeentch
Screamers of Tzeentch
Tzaangor Enlightened
Pink Horrors of Tzeentch

You're missing two battle line units, but since you said you're not doing matched play, that should be fine.

Here's what you can proxy reasonably well:

1. Venomthropes + Zoanthrope as exalted flamers. Each exated flamer is basically equal to two normal flamers (except that they don't suffer from battleshock if taken as single models). These three models are equal to 6 flamers of Tzeentch which are a very strong shooting unit. Run them as single models so you may spread the mortal wounds from the special rule on multiple units if you want to.

2. Gargoyles as screamers - screamers are an extremely fast flying unit that you can use to reach models that have been left behind the front lines (warmachines, archers etc. even intercepting fast cavalry is a good use for them) ideally you should run them, make a 20" or so move, slash some unit and then set up them for a charge next turn.

3. Carnifexes, trygons, tyrants etc are too big to be used as anything other than LOC IMO and you already have one.

4. Use the magus from overkill as either a Tzeentch sorcerer or a Herald on foot. Both are good spellcasters and the herald may boost your other forces (although without a disc he'll be left behind pretty soon and out of buff range)

Could use the Gaunts for Pink Horrors

Stealers could be Tzangors with paired blades

Warriors could be used for Spawn

Fafnir wrote:Well, it's hard to say, really. Tzeentch and Nids are so far out from one another that there's no clear analogues. Your best bet is to have your models stand in for things with the same base size, and just stay consistent with what functions as what until you fill out the rest of your Tzeentch forces.

Yes I agree, I will keep everything consistent. Didn't think about the base sizes. Thanks for pointing that out.

I wouldn't worry about painting your nids in specific colours for AoS unless you really like the colour scheme on your nids as a standalone, since they are going to be filler to be replaced anyway. It'll be fine for friendly games, but I personally wouldn't play against such an army in a tournament or otherwise organized setting (scenario play, for example).

Hmmm. I will do a test piece. If it looks good I might do it. Now seeing how much I do have painted, maybe you are correct. Maybe I will not do it. I can respect your opinion of never playing it. I can even see your point. For me, Tyranids look like they could be Tzeench creatures. Maybe because I am unfamiliar with the fluff I can bury the suspension of disbelief. Only reason I am doing it, an older poster on The Tyranid Hive made a Tyranid army all consisting of Skaven minis. For what ever reason yesterday, it hit me, why can't I use Tyranid minis for a Tzeentch force? He made a beautiful Nid army with Skaven minis so I am hoping to make a beautiful Tzeench army with Nid minis.

I'm going to refernece points going forward, even though you're not currently playing with them, just for the sake of establishing army scale. For now, just focus on small games, keep things under 1000 points. With the Start Collecting! box, you'll be able to reach between 940-1060 points with your Lord of Change and the contents of the box alone, which is a solidly sized force to start out with. And for $100, it's also fairly economical. And since Tzeentch is also very generous with his battleline units, expanding beyond that in just about any direction will then be very easy. If you throw in the contents of the Silver Tower set you mentioned in your previous thread, you could even end up with something like this quite quickly:

1500 points
Lord of Change
Herald of Change
Ogroid Thaumaturge
Gaunt Summoner of Tzeentch

Burning Chariots of Tzeentch
Flamers of Tzeentch
Screamers of Tzeentch
Tzaangor Enlightened
Pink Horrors of Tzeentch

You're missing two battle line units, but since you said you're not doing matched play, that should be fine.

Thank you so much for this. This helps me get started since I had no clue where to start. Greatly appreciated.

CoreCommander wrote:Here's what you can proxy reasonably well:

1. Venomthropes + Zoanthrope as exalted flamers. Each exated flamer is basically equal to two normal flamers (except that they don't suffer from battleshock if taken as single models). These three models are equal to 6 flamers of Tzeentch which are a very strong shooting unit. Run them as single models so you may spread the mortal wounds from the special rule on multiple units if you want to.

2. Gargoyles as screamers - screamers are an extremely fast flying unit that you can use to reach models that have been left behind the front lines (warmachines, archers etc. even intercepting fast cavalry is a good use for them) ideally you should run them, make a 20" or so move, slash some unit and then set up them for a charge next turn.

3. Carnifexes, trygons, tyrants etc are too big to be used as anything other than LOC IMO and you already have one.

4. Use the magus from overkill as either a Tzeentch sorcerer or a Herald on foot. Both are good spellcasters and the herald may boost your other forces (although without a disc he'll be left behind pretty soon and out of buff range)

This is great. I didn't even think of this. Thank you very much. So my thinking was correct I couldn't use Carnifex, Trygons etc. I thought so as well but since I can miss things easily, I wanted to ask. So all I have to worry about is the smaller minis you mentioned. Again, thank you very much.

BomBomHotdog wrote:Could use the Gaunts for Pink Horrors

Stealers could be Tzangors with paired blades

Warriors could be used for Spawn

Pink Gaunts eh? Might actually work out. I was thinking of using Warriors as those Beasts with bows. Wasn't sure if that was a good idea. Not sure what a Spawn is. I will read it's entry. Thanks for pointing that out.

Thank you everyone, you have all helped me out, and it's greatly appreciated.