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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/06 19:32:55
Subject: [1000] - Imperial Guard - Experimental Sentinel Deployment
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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I like sentinels. Have been discussing with people on and off the forum how best ot use them, and from what I've been told, something like this might "work"... that is, it might put up a fight and be interesting, but probably won't win against anything that's actually considered good in the meta. Which I'm okay with. Mostly, it's me trying to take the idea of a sentinel-based army and make the best of it. Emperor's Talon Formation: Assault Company (595 pts) -- Armored Sentinel Squadron: ---- Armored Commander Sentinel: Plasma Cannon, Camo, HK Missile, Warlord ---- Armored Sentinel: Plasma Cannon, Camo ---- Armored Sentinel: Plasma Cannon, Camo -- Armored Sentinel Squadron: ---- Armored Sentinel: Plasma Cannon, Camo ---- Armored Sentinel: Plasma Cannon, Camo ---- Armored Sentinel: Plasma Cannon, Camo -- Armored Sentinel Squadron: ---- Armored Sentinel: Plasma Cannon, Camo ---- Armored Sentinel: Plasma Cannon, Camo ---- Armored Sentinel: Plasma Cannon, Camo Emperor's Talon Formation: Scout Company (405 pts) -- Scout Sentinel Squadron: ---- Scout Sentinel Commander: Multilaser, Camo ---- Scout Sentinel: Multilaser, Camo ---- Scout Sentinel: Multilaser, Camo -- Scout Sentinel Squadron: ---- Scout Sentinel: Multilaser, Camo ---- Scout Sentinel: Multilaser, Camo ---- Scout Sentinel: Multilaser, Camo -- Scout Sentinel Squadron: ---- Scout Sentinel: Heavy Flamer ---- Scout Sentinel: Heavy Flamer ---- Scout Sentinel: Heavy Flamer With ten points to spare, I could get an HK-missile on any of them, I suppose.
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This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2017/02/06 19:46:16
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/06 19:52:15
Subject: [1000] - Imperial Guard - Experimental Sentinel Deployment
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Heroic Senior Officer
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heh, looks like fun. I'd swap out some of the plasma for lascannons tho.
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Don "MONDO"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/06 19:58:22
Subject: [1000] - Imperial Guard - Experimental Sentinel Deployment
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Well they cost the same as plascans, but at the same time, three lascannons firing at BS3 isn't really that impressive, I feel, and six while substantially better would severely cut down on the amount of plasma blasts I'd be dumping on the enemy.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/06 23:02:24
Subject: [1000] - Imperial Guard - Experimental Sentinel Deployment
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
EARTH- America- Rochester MI
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I love sentinels, I wish they were a little better in the meta.
I would think dropping Camo on a squad and adding a tech priest would be an okay idea.
Plasma is definitely the way to go over lascannon because of BS3. Plasma does hurt though, eventually, and thats why I think an enginseer and maybe even a servitor wouldnt be a poor addition.
I know you don't have much play room though, as you're following the formations requirements.
If you ever up this to a 1250 or 1500 pt list, I'd add scions with melta or a vendetta. Or, to keep it to walkers, take a dreadnaught or small knight. keep the troops light, its all about the walking machines in mass numbers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/06 23:11:40
Subject: [1000] - Imperial Guard - Experimental Sentinel Deployment
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Yeah, I considered that. Actually, if I dropall of the camo, I can have this list:
Emperor's Talon, Assault Company: 570 pts
-- Armored Sentinel Squadron
---- Armored Sentinel Commander w/Plasma Cannon, Warlord
---- Armored Sentinel w/Plasma Cannon
---- Armored Sentinel w/Plasma Cannon
-- Armored Sentinel Squadron
---- Armored Sentinel w/Plasma Cannon
---- Armored Sentinel w/Plasma Cannon
---- Armored Sentinel w/Plasma Cannon
-- Armored Sentinel Squadron
---- Armored Sentinel w/Plasma Cannon
---- Armored Sentinel w/Plasma Cannon
---- Armored Sentinel w/Plasma Cannon
-- Armored Sentinel Squadron
---- Armored Sentinel w/Heavy Flamer
---- Armored Sentinel w/Heavy Flamer
---- Armored Sentinel w/Heavy Flamer
Emperor's Talon, Recon Company: 430 pts
-- Scout Sentinel Squadron
---- Scout Sentinel Commander w/Multilaser
---- Scout Sentinel w/Autocannon
---- Scout Sentinel w/Autocannon
-- Scout Sentinel Squadron
---- Scout Sentinel w/Multilaser
---- Scout Sentinel w/Multilaser
---- Scout Sentinel w/Multilaser
-- Scout Sentinel Squadron
---- Scout Sentinel w/Multilaser
---- Scout Sentinel w/Multilaser
---- Scout Sentinel w/Multilaser
-- Scout Sentinel Squadron
---- Scout Sentinel w/Multilaser
---- Scout Sentinel w/Multilaser
---- Scout Sentinel w/Multilaser
If i upped it to a 1500 poitn list, I can add a default deployment that has two vet squads and a CCS in chimeras, and have some room for some techpriests and changing the heavy flamers to more plascans and some upgrades.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/07 00:16:18
Subject: [1000] - Imperial Guard - Experimental Sentinel Deployment
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge
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I love the list's theme. As an alternative to the mechvets, you could bring a MT CAD with some small melta (you already have plasma covered) deep striking suicide squads. Giving 2 or 3 sentinels augur arrays might be a nice "force multiplier."
Although when I bring sentinel augur arrays and stormtroopers my outflanking sentinels always come on the board on turn 2 at same time as my deepstriking stormies so I never really get to use the arrays. But maybe it could work for you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/07 14:23:01
Subject: [1000] - Imperial Guard - Experimental Sentinel Deployment
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Melissia wrote:Well they cost the same as plascans, but at the same time, three lascannons firing at BS3 isn't really that impressive, I feel, and six while substantially better would severely cut down on the amount of plasma blasts I'd be dumping on the enemy.
True. Planning on using side/rear armor shots to take out vehicles with heavier front armor?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/07 15:56:54
Subject: [1000] - Imperial Guard - Experimental Sentinel Deployment
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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\Cool list. If you wanted to do some kit bashing you could probably get great mileage out of that Skitarii walker formation. That close combat punch would synergize nicely I think. Plus the conversions would add some nice variety to the look of the army on the tabletop.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/08 14:50:38
Subject: [1000] - Imperial Guard - Experimental Sentinel Deployment
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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don_mondo wrote: Melissia wrote:Well they cost the same as plascans, but at the same time, three lascannons firing at BS3 isn't really that impressive, I feel, and six while substantially better would severely cut down on the amount of plasma blasts I'd be dumping on the enemy.
True. Planning on using side/rear armor shots to take out vehicles with heavier front armor?
It's the Sentinel way. Only problem is land raiders, but to be honest a lot of marine players are really hating on LRs this edition it seems so I hopefully wouldn't run too much in to them at the 1000 point level. Automatically Appended Next Post: Granted, it might take a couple years to get all this purchased and painted, it's a really expensive list-- $630 (it would be 720 but I have a few sentinels already). Still, the more I think about it the more I actually rather like it.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/02/08 14:52:11
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/08 17:52:59
Subject: [1000] - Imperial Guard - Experimental Sentinel Deployment
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Melissia wrote:
Granted, it might take a couple years to get all this purchased and painted, it's a really expensive list-- $630 (it would be 720 but I have a few sentinels already). Still, the more I think about it the more I actually rather like it.
Yeah, getting everything together is always the hardest part. I could field the Scout Sentinels out of my old RT eggs-on-legs (if I got them all assembled and painted) but don't have anything more current to use as Armoured Sentinels. (Anybody got two of the old boxy metal sentinels they don't want...?)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/08 17:57:19
Subject: [1000] - Imperial Guard - Experimental Sentinel Deployment
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
EARTH- America- Rochester MI
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I like the revamp.
I'm not sure how I feel about Armored Sentinels with Heavy Flamers though. Not sure what the cost of that squad is, but its got to be close to the cost of a vendetta, especially if you remove the AC from the scout squad and swap it for a default ML.
I find that outflanking sentinels with flamers do more than walking them up the field. Vendetta solves your "no anti air" and "no anti Land Raider" and "no fast moving vehichle" Problems
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/08 19:44:04
Subject: [1000] - Imperial Guard - Experimental Sentinel Deployment
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Scout sentinels are AV10 open topped, if anything stronger than a guardsman charges them they're probably screwed. Even basic tacticals will render them useless in melee. The armored variants are AV12 with no open top rule, and thus are more durable if they get charged after firing their heavy flamer-- or if they decide to charge for that matter (to benefit from hammer of wrath, though not as good as with ohter walkers it'd still double their melee damage potential).
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/17 13:19:35
Subject: Re:[1000] - Imperial Guard - Experimental Sentinel Deployment
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Slippery Scout Biker
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Love this idea. Im actually about half way (model count) to something quite similar. If you dont mind i may snag your use of plasma. I was originally terrified of the idea, but seeing as this is more of a "i love the model and have a formation that allows a ton of em" vs competitive anyway, that might be a good way to go.
To me it seems like the trickiest but possibly best utility to the list is keeping track of your PE targets. With good choices and a notebook at the ready you can mitigate the BS 3 problem to an extent. Also outflanking with 20 something heavy weapons sounds hilarious.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/17 19:29:35
Subject: [1000] - Imperial Guard - Experimental Sentinel Deployment
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge
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Yes, I've enjoyed using my recon-themed Imperial Guard Tallarn list with lots of sentinels since 2001. Lately I've been using 12 to 15 outflanking sentinels and 1 to 2 outflanking scout Salamanders. The Emperor's Talon is a fluffy and fun formation that gels nicely with my CAD. It's usually very easy to remember which squadrons get PE and which don't. Against competitive opponents I usually get tabled but my sentinel lists can hold their own against casual lists.
Here is some of my Tallarn recon list at a local tournament.
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