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Everyone waits for the new part of the Gathering Storm from Games Workshop. Now that we have quite a lot of info, leaked into the web, we can analyse the playability of the units from this book.

It’s totally about Eldar and it unites all playable factions into one detachment – like in the Fall of Cadia, but without doubling the number of unit type options. Also, you can’t take units from Covens, since Dark Artisans didn’t admit Ynnead and didn’t join the Ynnary army.

Wait! Ynne...who? Yeas, we have a brand new Eldar god here – the one, who is supposed to kill Slaanesh and revenge. The one, who was supposed to awake in the Death Masque campaign, but everything went wrong. So, now we see the army of his followers lead by his avatar and emissary.

Before we discuss their rules, it’ necessary to look at the army special rule – Strength from Death. This rule allows you to immediately move\run\charge\shoot with one of your units in 7 inches of the destroyed one. It’s really great – you can spoil your enemy’s strategy by killing his units, or locking them in combat in his own turn! However, 7 inches is not that far and you have to keep your units close to each other, which is bad for Eldar’s mobility.

The first of new characters is the avatar of Ynnead. Really weird creature, who looks like something in the middle between Slaanesh daemons and Eldar. There’s o surprise, since Ynnead also gains power from the Eldar souls. It’s quite tough monstrous creature, who can heal on 3+ if there’s a friendly model slain near him. He has only 3+ armour and 5++ daemon invuln. Also, Yncarne is a dangerous close combat fighter with 6 attacks Str6 on the 10th initiative step. However he’s quite vulnerable himself. Toughness 6 and 3+ armor can barely impress in modern Warhammer realities. (Ask Tyranids if you doubt) Also, he moves only 6 inches and has to start in Deep Strike. He can enter the game only after friendly unit was slain – so you can only charge on the 3rd turn is you go first. 275 pts also don’t male him more playable. Khaine avatar is not a frequent guest on the tables – and he has close stats. Well… this guy is also a psyker, who can generate spells from Sanctic and the new(!) Eldar discipline. He also gives Fell no Pain and Fearless to all the allies in 12 inches. And has a great model.


Yvraine. Farseer with some bonuses for 200 pts. And I could finish here. Yes, she generates D3 additional warp-charges for her pussy (while 2 farseers generate stable 6 for the same points). Yes, she can add one ML and spell (up to 2) each time, a psyker dies near her. Yes, she has a nice sword with Instant Death and descent 4 attacks (AP 3, though)… Well, the character is still playable, but too expensive. There are too BUTS. However, if you remember Dark Eldar characters, Yvraine is pure usefulness.

Visarch the most useless guy in this trinity. It would be enough to say that he costs 150 pts, has 3+ armor, T3 and no invuln. AP2 sword, but all stats lower that the other’s. He can automatically take the attacks, allocated to Yvraine, but with no invuln he’s definitely not a good tank. Generates Warlord trait even if he’s not a warlord and heals on 4+ if there’s an ally, slain nearby. Sure, Eternal warrior adds him some chances, but he won’t survive serious shooting attack. And in close combat, he will be easily killed by the ordinary Dark Eldar Archont.

In general, new characters don’t seem really useful. They are vulnerable even for the Eldar, their abilities don’t give much and they are really hard to use. They might be nice in friendly play, especially for the Dark Eldar players.

However, there’s a new powerful magic which makes Ynnary more playable. There are 3 spells which you will use anyway:

Storm of whispers – 9 inch nova with PA2, ignores cover and 2D6 shots. Only Str3 but considering the piercing ability, there will be really a lot of casualties. And only 1 WC cost.

Word of the Phoenix - allows you immediately activate a squad according to with the Strength from Death special rule. The most useful psychic power ever.

Unbind souls – the ideal instrument to smash crowds of weak models. It hits the number of times equal to the number of models in the unit. Str 4 and no AP tell you that it’s better to be used against the imperial guard or cultists.

Gaze of Ynnead – could be the 4th in this list at the first glance – Str 10 and no saves of ANY kind allowed sounds really scary. But only one shot and 12 inches range make it not as useful as it could be.

The other spells you are not likely to use – nothing interesting and helpful.

The Ynnary army is definitely an interesting thing to play – Strength from Death is really useful and will bring many problems to your enemy. The army with this bonus is definitely more effective that the usual Eldar alliance. In general, the rules are quite balanced and require a thoughtful approach. However, you expect something…bigger from the Eldar army. Maybe, the formations, we’ll look into later, will add depth to this army, but now it doesn’t look more powerful than standard Eldar archetypes. But Warhammer is not only for sportsmen, isn’t it?

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You lost me when I was informed that her pussy is psychic!

So can she cast Sanctic powers three weeks of the month and only Malefic for the other week?

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i Don't get why don't all Eldar characters take a 4++ by defect when even the lowly naked Autarch has it for free. Come on T3 people, it is the phoenix lords all over again.
   
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Auto correct error? I think you ment, "she gets +D3 from her cat" not "for her..."

That said, where is the review? I have read a nice recap but no review. How is the story? How fun is the book? Will it be fun to play? Then again, when GW uses the term "rumour" when it really is "teasers", I guess anything can be called what ever now.

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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.

Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?

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 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
You lost me when I was informed that her pussy is psychic!

So can she cast Sanctic powers three weeks of the month and only Malefic for the other week?

Sigh. It's crystalline, you know.



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 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
You lost me when I was informed that her pussy is psychic!

So can she cast Sanctic powers three weeks of the month and only Malefic for the other week?


Stay classy, internet.
   
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 Asmodai_00 wrote:
 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
You lost me when I was informed that her pussy is psychic!

So can she cast Sanctic powers three weeks of the month and only Malefic for the other week?


Stay classy, internet.


Krone manages to influence her more powerful at certain times.

Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.

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I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.

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 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
You lost me when I was informed that her pussy is psychic!

So can she cast Sanctic powers three weeks of the month and only Malefic for the other week?


you got it
   
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A few rules wrong, the Yncarne can also enter when a foe was slain.

Additionally, the Ycarne can't do santic cause its a demon (even if it was stated in the profile)

I wish Yrvaine was a bit more useful, I was hoping she'd be around 150-175 points, not 200.The Visarch is still pretty bad, even at 150, and the Ycarne is not tanky enough for 275.

   
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If a game review blog isn't going to take the time to present posts with something approximating correct spelling, grammar, and punctuation, I'm not going to spend the time to read it.

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OK, please ignore the previous comment. It was childish but couldn't resist.

On a more serious note there is a breakdown of the story on Faeit212, the one with SPOILERS written all over it.

If true then that is some powerful stuff the Gathering Storm writers are smoking.

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That Nova....

That thing is going to wreck invisible deathstars ... I LOVE IT !


By the way... this Power from Death or whatever, .... doesn't it make 40K not IGOUGO anymore ?

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It's very reminiscent of 3rd ed consolidating into combat.

I think it will turn out to be very, very broken.
   
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Probably a stupid question, but do these campaign books (including Fall of Cadia) have the stats for the associated units, like harlequins, wyches etc, as well? Or would you still have to get the individual codexes? In other words, if you were wanting to start an 'Aeldari' army from scratch, would you have to shell out for four different books?

(I think I can guess the answer to this already ... )
   
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richstrach wrote:
Probably a stupid question, but do these campaign books (including Fall of Cadia) have the stats for the associated units, like harlequins, wyches etc, as well? Or would you still have to get the individual codexes? In other words, if you were wanting to start an 'Aeldari' army from scratch, would you have to shell out for four different books?

(I think I can guess the answer to this already ... )

From what we have seen so far, the only datasheets in the book are for the 3 Triumvirate, 4 Black Guardian units and various Formations (which never have individual unit rules)
So unless you are filling your army with just the Ulthwe Strike Force (all the Black Gaurdians), you'll need the other books for the other units.

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From what we have seen so far, the only datasheets in the book are for the 3 Triumvirate, 4 Black Guardian units and various Formations (which never have individual unit rules)
So unless you are filling your army with just the Ulthwe Strike Force (all the Black Gaurdians), you'll need the other books for the other units.


Thanks - that makes sense. I wouldn't mind getting the triumvirate models just to paint, but the idea of a mixed Eldar army started to appeal to me. But if would be £120 on rulebooks alone, I might give it a pass!
   
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 Horned wrote:


The first of new characters is the avatar of Ynnead. Really weird creature, who looks like something in the middle between Slaanesh daemons and Eldar. There’s o surprise, since Ynnead also gains power from the Eldar souls. It’s quite tough monstrous creature, who can heal on 3+ if there’s a friendly model slain near him. He has only 3+ armour and 5++ daemon invuln. Also, Yncarne is a dangerous close combat fighter with 6 attacks Str6 on the 10th initiative step. However he’s quite vulnerable himself. Toughness 6 and 3+ armor can barely impress in modern Warhammer realities. (Ask Tyranids if you doubt) Also, he moves only 6 inches and has to start in Deep Strike. He can enter the game only after friendly unit was slain – so you can only charge on the 3rd turn is you go first. 275 pts also don’t male him more playable. Khaine avatar is not a frequent guest on the tables – and he has close stats. Well… this guy is also a psyker, who can generate spells from Sanctic and the new(!) Eldar discipline. He also gives Fell no Pain and Fearless to all the allies in 12 inches. And has a great model.


Couple of things wrong in this "recap":

Yncarne has FNP, so it is more like 2.5+/4.5++ and not 3+/5++. Also, if you read Inevitable Death rule carefully, you should realise, that this is one of the most awesome movement modes available: it allows 1st turn Deep Strike deployment if you manage to kill even a single enemy unit; additionaly, you get to bounce around the table almost any time you want - low on wounds and stuck in unfortunate CC? No problem, jump out of CC (nothing forbids to use this as Hit&Run on steroids) and "refill" wounds on friendly models dying and then do SfD action to charge something again (Phil Kelly even mentions this in Ynnead video)... Or reposition Yncarne into the crowd during psychic phase on an enemy destroyed and cast this nova weapon of mass destruction. This thing is even more slippery than Warp Spiders. And with so many usefull Revenant discipline powers, you can be anywhere to cast them as needed. And I can totally see Invisible Yncarne wreaking havoc in enemy gunlines - you just need a friendly Farseer and a bit of luck to pull this off.

Seriously, I'm personally a bit overhelmed by how "stuck in ruts" this community is dismissing Yncarne in favour of plain old Wraithknights, when a myriad new strategies and armylists this new book opens up with Yncarne alone! Of course, this is not "an easy autowin button cookie cutter" type of new army (except for even more buffed scatspam with black guardians alpha strike and SfD Wraithknights), but it seems like a metric ton of fun to build entirely new Eldar lists for all sorts of games, from narrative, throughout casual up to competetive...
   
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nou wrote:
 Horned wrote:


The first of new characters is the avatar of Ynnead. Really weird creature, who looks like something in the middle between Slaanesh daemons and Eldar. There’s o surprise, since Ynnead also gains power from the Eldar souls. It’s quite tough monstrous creature, who can heal on 3+ if there’s a friendly model slain near him. He has only 3+ armour and 5++ daemon invuln. Also, Yncarne is a dangerous close combat fighter with 6 attacks Str6 on the 10th initiative step. However he’s quite vulnerable himself. Toughness 6 and 3+ armor can barely impress in modern Warhammer realities. (Ask Tyranids if you doubt) Also, he moves only 6 inches and has to start in Deep Strike. He can enter the game only after friendly unit was slain – so you can only charge on the 3rd turn is you go first. 275 pts also don’t male him more playable. Khaine avatar is not a frequent guest on the tables – and he has close stats. Well… this guy is also a psyker, who can generate spells from Sanctic and the new(!) Eldar discipline. He also gives Fell no Pain and Fearless to all the allies in 12 inches. And has a great model.


Couple of things wrong in this "recap":

Yncarne has FNP, so it is more like 2.5+/4.5++ and not 3+/5++. Also, if you read Inevitable Death rule carefully, you should realise, that this is one of the most awesome movement modes available: it allows 1st turn Deep Strike deployment if you manage to kill even a single enemy unit; additionaly, you get to bounce around the table almost any time you want - low on wounds and stuck in unfortunate CC? No problem, jump out of CC (nothing forbids to use this as Hit&Run on steroids) and "refill" wounds on friendly models dying and then do SfD action to charge something again (Phil Kelly even mentions this in Ynnead video)... Or reposition Yncarne into the crowd during psychic phase on an enemy destroyed and cast this nova weapon of mass destruction. This thing is even more slippery than Warp Spiders. And with so many usefull Revenant discipline powers, you can be anywhere to cast them as needed. And I can totally see Invisible Yncarne wreaking havoc in enemy gunlines - you just need a friendly Farseer and a bit of luck to pull this off.

Seriously, I'm personally a bit overhelmed by how "stuck in ruts" this community is dismissing Yncarne in favour of plain old Wraithknights, when a myriad new strategies and armylists this new book opens up with Yncarne alone! Of course, this is not "an easy autowin button cookie cutter" type of new army (except for even more buffed scatspam with black guardians alpha strike and SfD Wraithknights), but it seems like a metric ton of fun to build entirely new Eldar lists for all sorts of games, from narrative, throughout casual up to competetive...


Someone has finally said it! I love this model and I love the rules, I haven't heard anyone really talk about it (even on the Ynari tactica thread).

   
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Won't every farseer have access to "Revenant"?

I was expecting them to, and yes that Nova is just pure wrecking.... Can it still be WebWayPortaled in?

Like 2 farseer 1 Archon, Deepstrike no scatter, time to say good night.
   
 
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