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So this is a 4 pronged question that comes up often between me and my friend because he plays GSC and I play KDK, both which have summoning in different ways.

1. In an ITC game which formation, if any, do the GSC summoned units belong to? As far as I know ALL units in a bound army MUST belong to a formation or detachment but we cant find anywhere in ITC or the normal rules that states what formation or detachment the summons belong to. Do they belong to the same formation as the summoner?

2. In an ITC game which formation, if any do the KDK summoned units belong to? They are NOT summoned by any character or model so its hard to argue where they belong?

3. Same question as #1 but in a non ITC setting, if its different at all.

4. Same question as #2 but in a non ITC setting.

We have been playing that they belong to whatever formation the summoner belongs to, or the main formation of KDK but if we do that another issue arises. What if the KDK player summons a unit of bloodcrushers and I only have a slaughtercult which does not allow bloodcrushers? Would they receive any formation bonuses?

Thanks, and sorry for the lengthy question but we cant find an answer anywhere.

Now I cant help much with the ITC rules but point number 1 is in regards to list building. When building your list every unit has to belong to a formation.

When you summon using Malefic they are chaos daemon faction as per the spells and they did not belong to any formation as they werent part of the formation when you built your list.

That should also answer the question for KDK (but KDK faction) but not got book to hold to check.

So when it says a unit MUST belong to a Detachment or formation it only applies to list building and not in the game?

However I think I remember the draft FAQ at one point saying that objective secured is transferred from the summoner to the summoned. Take it with a grain of salt however because I can't remember where or even if it were taken back in another version of it.

But yeh, that applies to list building.

I hate to be picky but can someone reference a page number because I cant find it anywhere and Id like to be able to show my friend.

Im checking the GW faq right now.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/717274.page

Didnt see the other thread, thanks for the link. Does anyone know if ITC has ruled about this at all?

ITC follows GW rules except when noted. They have a faq question anyways that answers this in agreement with GW.

Go to ITC FAQ.
Press 'Ctrl+F'
Type 'summ'
Read entries containing 'summ' until you find your answer.

I just did it and it took me all of 35 seconds to find it.

Just to clarify, a formation is a type of detachment

FAQ states that Termagants generated by a Tervigon count as being a part of the detachment the Tervigon is from. They also always count as troops (their normal FOC slot) regardless of whether the Tervigon was taken as a troop or HQ choice. It goes on to specify that in the standard CAD those generated Termagants gain ObSec.

I imagine the mechanics behind Tervigons are more or less the same as summoned units. The Tervigons ability is summoning with a very specific unit you can summon and a different fluff explanation.

You can imagine it, but they are completely different things.

I mean, they could be from a completely different faction, how could they join the detachment that summoned them?

Without FAQ guidance Summoned units are not part of any detachment.