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So I have a BaC box set I am looking to start IW with and want to know if y'all think this a decent starter list. I'll be able to use/convert everything in this list from what I have plus getting 20 shields from a 3rd party guy to make the Mk4 guys breachers. Thanks in advance!

Siege breaker - cataphractii, hammer (event only praetor with the combi-volkite and hammer)
Vigilator - recon armor, melta bomb, refractor field (convert from the BaC chappy - I might need to find a different model to use scout armor for infiltrate)
Breachers - 2x grav guns // srg- arty, power fist (vigilator here to infiltrate/scout and hit with grav guns turn 1)
Breachers - 2x melta guns // srg- arty, power fist
5 Tyrant Siege Terminators - 2x chain fists
Iron Havocs - missile launchers // srg-arty, augury scanner, melta bomb
Iron Havocs - shrapnel HB // srg-arty, augury scanner, melta bomb

1500 on the nose.

I feel like it's a decent amount of shooting between the havocs and tyrants, as well as resilient bodies in the forms of the breachers. I know breachers aren't everyone's favorite, but 1) it gets my grav-guns and 2) I LOVE the way they look.

Let me know what you think - when I expand to 2500-3000, I will be running Kyr Vhalen and this will be a loyalist IW force. I guess I can always leave him out and run them as traitors as well, but I love his fluff - and the thought of converting up his model is great.

I like it! I always thought of recon units and Vigilators being something that IW would use, they do recon for their attacks quite often in the books.

My only suggestion would be to swap out the HB's for Autocannons, since it's a free upgrade and you'll get way more utility out of them.

If you're set on HBs then I would take a normal heavy support squad, the points you're paying to make them Havocs isn't going to be well used on HBs.

Youll save 50 points that way

If you like Breachers then more power to you! I agree they look great, and they're solid objective campers that can put out some fire. I am not sold on meltas, all grav would suit the army better.

1500 is a weird point level for 30K IMO just because of the point scaling for min-units vs full units. 2K lets the army list stretch its legs.

So stretching to 2000 it'd look like this, I changed some of the things you suggested as well

Siege Breaker - cataphractii, hammer
Vigilator - scout armor, melta bomb, refractor field
Breachers - 2x grav guns // srg- arty, fist
Breachers - 2x grav guns // srg- arty, fist
Contemptor Mortis - 2x kheres
Apothecarion - 2x apothecaries with artificer armor and augury scanner
Lightning - 4x krackens, phosphex bomb cluster, battle servitor, ground tracking
Tyrant siege termies - 2x chainfist, Siege master w/chainfist
Havocs w/rockets //srg-arty, augury scanner, melta bomb
Heavy support squad - shrapnel HB // srg-arty, augury scanner, melta bomb

I like the idea of the list.
I have never tried the vigilator allowing the breacher grav to scout forward and get a few shots.
But your not maximizing the ROW to its full extent. (not taking the 4 heavy support choices, using the rapid fire then charge to your advantage)
Its basically a gun line with a little recon. (havocs will remain in cover shooting, tyrants will move very slow then shoot, dred will laydown rending, the heavy bolter squad wont help much and is a waste of points.)


I'd go with the Iron fire if I was you. Will still play very similar, but will allow for the full use of artillery, and mortars while you move.
Just my 2 sense. Go for what is fun for you!


My 2k list.
Iron Fire
HQ:
Legion preator- artificer armor, iron halo, mastercrafted weapon, paragon blade, warsmith
legion siege breaker, artificer armor, refractor field power axe

elites:
apothecary detatchment
3 x apothecaries w/ artificer armor

legion quad mortar x 2
phosphex shells

legion quad morta x 2
phosphex shells

troops:
legion tactical squad
19 x marines
nuncio vox
sergeant w/ artificer armor, melta bombs, pfist

troops:
legion tactical squad
19 x marines
nuncio vox
sergeant w/ artificer armor, melta bombs, pfist

legion support squad
5 x marines
plasma guns
sergeant w/ bolter

fast attack:
legion outrider bike squad
3 x bikes

heavy support:
2 x medusa
legion scorpius

The tactics:
Have the bikes use scout. then on t1 move them max forward toward the hard point of the enemies line. w/ iron fire the first barrage shot (preferably mortar) will only deviate d6 when friendly iron warriors(your bikes) are within 12 of them. Then place an iron fire token there.
After that shot as long as the next shot is within 18 of that token and 6 of an IW (bikes) it won deviate at all.
So you can lay down precision 2 x S10 ap 2 large blast ordinance medusa shots, d1+3 str 8 ap 3 scorpius shots, 4 quads with heavy 4 small blast poison 3+ ap 3 death.
Then have your blob squads with apoth march up using nuncio vox to spot for you and shoot when needed. Have the support plasma squad march up with special characters.


Then its easy to scale to 2,500 if you get a typhon.
Buying the medusa's, scorpius, and quad mortars will be expensive up front but will pay off with games played using them.
essential IW kit.

The idea for my list was that I am using the models I have. I totally agree with you and this 1500 and 2000 lists don't even have a character with master of the legion, so the first and 2nd lists are just age of darkness lists. I also don't have enough troops for the HoO rite of war, as you need 3. I will probably just run the above for funsies until I can get myself some more troops/artillery and I will probably go the iron fire route, even though people don't like it. I always for get the scorpius. It's so damn good. Especially in iron fire lol.

Thanks for the tips though @Montambro, that list looks fun as hell. Oh in addition, I am building the 77th grand battalion, so my warsmith will be Kyr Vhalen when I get around to making him up lol

Ah man sounds like a great project. Look forward to hearing how it comes!

I love my iron warriors. Fun to play and for myself easy to paint... Haha.

You two need to post some pictures of these IW's armies. I always enjoy seeing more Iron

 JamesY wrote:
You two need to post some pictures of these IW's armies. I always enjoy seeing more Iron

I agree. Put some up when you get going!

Ill start posting some of mine. Especially when I get my WE allies in there.

Ive you want to take the current list then you actually cannot take a RoW, you'd need a Delegatus or Praetor to access Master of the Legion.


I like everything in your 2K except for the Lightning. Nothing at all wrong with a Lightning, but I'm just not into planes esp in my IW lists.

The only thing that should be flying over the 4th Legions ground forces is artillery shells!

Jetbikes and Speeders are OK too, since they're only a little off the ground...

I think multiple telephone pole sized bombs from a dive bombing fighter with a deconflicted attack heading... while mortars suppress enemy anti air and sustained medusa and basilisk shells rain hell upon an enemy is pretty IW if ya ask me.

lose lose situation. advance onto an objective with only pieces of dead waiting for ya...

I plan on adding a lightning to my Iron Warriors at some point, I think artillery bombardment supported by aerial bombardment is just about as iron warriors as it gets

Yeah I see your point. But... But... 2 Hull points... so flimsy!

I'm always looking at the flyers in the LA books and considering them then I'm like; "Nah, take a dreadnought"

Yeah I get where you are coming from. I don't see too much skyfire being used in 30k though, as it can be a bit of a gamble. I have two mortis dreads, and don't think I've used either in games.

Really?! I've used my dual Kheres mortis every game and it's typically MVP. I can also see the appeal of the Dual Las Cannons for the extra 5 points.

Now I also like to run the Deredeo at the same time. Maybe I'm just a Dreadnought fan though...

Haha so many dreds. That's very IW also...


Yeah so sire, we have lost another battalion in trying to take the citadel.

solution, put them in dreds.

I bet IW probably have one of the largest Drednought contingents due to all the casualties...

Haha, yeah I can totally see an IW Warsmith saying that

My 1K ZM list featured a Dual Mortis Kheres, A Contemptor Cortus with 2x CCW and a Leviathan with a grav bombard and claw

I find they work well generally in 30K being AV13, having an invulnerable save and since there's no 40K immobilizing grav.

The CC variants are great distractions charging up-field, taking pressure off your Havocs and Tyrants.

I've been spending all my points on barrage, siege tyrants and havocs so far... I definitely plan on adding a few more dreads eventually, the iw contemptor, a leviathan and possibly just a good old fashioned box dread to go with my ironclad. After a few more tanks though

Dreads are a nice deterrent/distraction unit for an otherwise range-heavy list.

Nothing takes the pressure of my Tyrants and havocs like a Leviathan or even a dual CCW Contemptor drop-podding into the enemy lines.

I have been considering a cc contemptor in drop pod, with a carapace missile launcher reminiscent of the dread in the tallarn books. Something to add pressure with the iron fire.

Good points all fellas!

As far as facing skyfire for the lightning, basically EVERY list at the LVO this year had a basic deredeo with autocannons/missile launcher. That sucks, but I love that plane and I will just have it if I want it. I haven't fought against one here in the DFW 30k scene.

I might go about snagging some 3rd party boarding shields and some extra bodies to make up another troop squad to go with HoO and get some more cataphractii and rockets to make another unit of Tyrants hehe I LOVE tyrants - plus I want some medusas, etc. I'll post up some pics when I get going but for right now I am trying to finish painting my Raven Guard for an event a week from Saturday :/

Do y'all run vets at all? I am tempted to just build up 20 of my Mk4 guys as vets and run them with rockets and marksmen for some rending goodness. Y'all have success with sniper rockets? I run 2 heavy bolters with my Raven Guard vets, but the extra anti-tank might come in handy. I'd have to run PotL however to make them troops, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Maybe something like:

Siege Breaker - cataphractii, hammer
Kyr Vhalen - RoW - Iron Fire
2x10 Tacticals - extra blades, vex // srg - arty, fist
2x2 quad mortars - shatter, phosphex
2x10 vets - marksman, 2x suspensor rockets // srg - arty, fist
5 tyrant siege termies - 3x chainfists
8 iron havocs - rockets //srg - arty, augury scanner
artillery tank squadron - 2x medusas w/dozer blade

Loads of artillery templates to throw around, 4 scoring units and the havocs will use Vhalen's ability for reroll 1's in their own deployment zone. I think Vhalen will go with one of the tactical or vet units, probably the vets and push midfield. It isn't very mobile, but has plenty of firepower. I'd need to get:
-4 quad mortars
-20 bodies (for the tactical squads)
-5 cyclone launchers for the tyrants
-2 medusas

Not a terrible amount of things to acquire. What do y'all think?

Yeah totally. I love Vets with Marksmen.

I personally run them with Heavy Flamers in a Rhino as disruptors and back field scoring. Rending ML are not great. They'll do better coming out of an outflanking Rhino and burning/shooting the enemy at close range.

Are your tacs in that list running in Rhinos? If not find points for them in an Iron Fire list. They'll need something to help get them up close.

I would drop the havocs for more tyrants. Pound for pound they'll do better if you've already got a Siege Breaker in there.

If you can finds points then take Phosphex canisters on your Medusas. Matched up with Iron Fire it's just disgusting (and not as cheesy IMO since you're dropping your anti-tank for anti-infantry).

I prefer these to phosphex on Quads, which is just too mean and too many points for my taste. Keep them with Shatter shells and use your Tyrants with Siege Breaker to do the heavy anti-tank.

Little thread-o-mancy here but I have started assembly of my Calth box and my IV legion. Here is the 1250, I know it's not 1500 but whatevs (sue me), list I have decided on to start:

Siege Breaker in cataphractii armor with hammer and combi-volkite (event model)
tactical squad - extra blades, vex/vox - sarge with arty/fist
breacher squad - 2x melta guns - sarge with arty/hammer
tac support squd - volkite calivers - sarge with arty/melta bomb
tyrant siege termies - 1 chainfist
havocs - 5 autocannons - sarge with arty/augury scanner/melta bomb

These are the models I have and I have weapons/boarding shields on the way, plus a techmarine to build my Kyr Vhalen model. I will post pics when I have more progress!