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I have recently began playing WH40k, and I know that 8th edition is coming out this year. I am aware that not all of the models are kept with edition changes, so I was wondering what the chance would be that new models I buy would become outdated in a few months.
   
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Where is it stated that some models die with the edition change? I seriously doubt that.. (im a victim of sigmar, i didnt experinece that and i dont know any from my group that experinced that)


As far as Sigmar happened to fantasy, the last models pre sigmar still rocked out in sigmar.

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 Brutallica wrote:
Where is it stated that some models die with the edition change? I seriously doubt that.. (im a victim of sigmar, i didnt experinece that and i dont know any from my group that experinced that)


As far as Sigmar happened to fantasy, the last models pre sigmar still rocked out in sigmar.


Indeed, some of the last models released in Warhammer Fantasy are some of the most powerful in Age of Sigmar. The OP might be afraid of 40K "Squatting" his army, but I don't think he has anything to fear. Just to be sure though, I'd probably avoid say, Dark Eldar and maybe Harliquins- not because they are going away, but because they may get rolled into a Aeldari Codex (see Gathering Storm II: Fracture of Biel-Tan), and hence, change significantly in the next edition.

Space Marines of all types are a safe bet, as well as Chaos and Daemons. Tau and Necron's aren't going anywhere. IG or whatever they are called now are a stable of 40K. Bugs are safe... no matter what army you pick, you'll probably be able to play it in some form in the new edition.

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HaterTot44 wrote:
I have recently began playing WH40k, and I know that 8th edition is coming out this year. I am aware that not all of the models are kept with edition changes, so I was wondering what the chance would be that new models I buy would become outdated in a few months.


it's rare for any models to be ditched when a new edition comes out. so long as the mini is avaliable and produced in plastic it'll proably be supported.

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 Tamwulf wrote:
no matter what army you pick, you'll probably be able to play it in some form in the new edition.

You could always pretend your ork boyz are ultramarines.

   
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 koooaei wrote:
 Tamwulf wrote:
no matter what army you pick, you'll probably be able to play it in some form in the new edition.

You could always pretend your ork boyz are ultramarines.





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It's been a longtime since models got dropped in an edition change. Squats from RT to 3rd ed 40K (they lingered in 2nd but had little support), and Halflings and the Hot Pot in Empire in the 5th to 6th ed. Fantasy transition are the only major ones that come to mind.

If you're competitive, the meta will shift and what's awesome now make be weak (and vice-versa), but if you're playing casually you're probably pretty safe with any plastic kit you buy now.
   
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Army-wise? Should be fine. I'd avoid still-metal heroes though. Finecast too. GW has been going towards all plastic for a while now.

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I doubt they'll remove entire armies and models like they did in AoS (Tomb Kings for example are completely MIA and god I wish I could find a sphinx or 2).

I'd be more concerned with rules changes having very large impacts on how specific armies work.

Vehicle Rules, the Psychic Phase, and Walkers are 3 very big problems that have gone from bad to worse as the game has evolved. If 8th is supposed to be a streamlining of the rules and removing a lot of bloat, I could see these 3 being changes dramatically.

I'd also be more concerned about certain kits being redone rather than removed. Eldar Aspects for example are all fine cast and desperately need to be made plastic. Nearly half of the Chaos Space Marine line could also use a do over. SoB has already been rumored. Orks could also use an update.

Buying anything from the above few armies may be a waste because they could see revisions sooner rather than later.
   
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Do we actually have any hard info on 8th? All I've heard the past 6 months is "8th edition is coming!!"

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 jreilly89 wrote:
Do we actually have any hard info on 8th? All I've heard the past 6 months is "8th edition is coming!!"


The only expectation I have of 8th is that we'll get a few more campaign books that'll set it up proper for the advancing timeline, can't exactly keep the normal typical stuff when you've got a new Eldar God shard, Cadia gone, and Gulliman up and about.
   
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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
 jreilly89 wrote:
Do we actually have any hard info on 8th? All I've heard the past 6 months is "8th edition is coming!!"


The only expectation I have of 8th is that we'll get a few more campaign books that'll set it up proper for the advancing timeline, can't exactly keep the normal typical stuff when you've got a new Eldar God shard, Cadia gone, and Gulliman up and about.


I said hard information. All I've seen is a lot of talk, nothing official from GW.

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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
 koooaei wrote:
 Tamwulf wrote:
no matter what army you pick, you'll probably be able to play it in some form in the new edition.

You could always pretend your ork boyz are ultramarines.





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 Brutallica wrote:
Where is it stated that some models die with the edition change? I seriously doubt that.. (im a victim of sigmar, i didnt experinece that and i dont know any from my group that experinced that)


Well, over the years the Imperial Guard have lost the Griffon and Colossus from their codex (I don't consider being available in Imperial Armour to be quite the same). I remember having to rip weapons of of marines when the codex 'lost' them. Then of course there were the Squats.. And until recently my several hundred Genestealer Cult models from many years ago could only be used with someone else's codex.

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@OP: Just so you know, you don't have to upgrade editions. Warhammer 40K v. 7 is really just 6.1, and I expect v. 8 will be 6.2. I'm not forking over any more money for the same game with a few more tweaks. Just sayin.

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 jasper76 wrote:
@OP: Just so you know, you don't have to upgrade editions. Warhammer 40K v. 7 is really just 6.1, and I expect v. 8 will be 6.2. I'm not forking over any more money for the same game with a few more tweaks. Just sayin.



Unless you've got a close-knit group of friends that also don't want to play the current edition; this is simply not true for anyone that wants to play any kind of PUG and/or in a GW store.
   
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 jreilly89 wrote:
 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
 jreilly89 wrote:
Do we actually have any hard info on 8th? All I've heard the past 6 months is "8th edition is coming!!"


The only expectation I have of 8th is that we'll get a few more campaign books that'll set it up proper for the advancing timeline, can't exactly keep the normal typical stuff when you've got a new Eldar God shard, Cadia gone, and Gulliman up and about.


I said hard information. All I've seen is a lot of talk, nothing official from GW.


The rumor I heard at LVO is that it's probably dropping late may, probably at the 40k grand tournament at warhammer world (may 27th - may 28th). The rationale is that 6th and 7th were revealed in the may-june time frame, and it's a pretty big event set about that time.

So, no, nothing official (when is there ever), but may-ish seems like as solid a bet as we're going to get.
   
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Ruin wrote:
 jasper76 wrote:
@OP: Just so you know, you don't have to upgrade editions. Warhammer 40K v. 7 is really just 6.1, and I expect v. 8 will be 6.2. I'm not forking over any more money for the same game with a few more tweaks. Just sayin.



Unless you've got a close-knit group of friends that also don't want to play the current edition; this is simply not true for anyone that wants to play any kind of PUG and/or in a GW store.


I don't know about a GW store. There isn't one in my area, and I hear they put rules on how people play and what they play with. However, at my flgs, they are still using the previous version of Warhammer Fantasy Battle because the reception to Age of Sigmar was so poor. I guess it takes a critical mass.

Anyways, I do sympathize with PUG players on this. To be honest, I only really play with a close-knit group of friends, and none of us want to adopt 8th edition. There's still alot of bad feelings how they went from 6th to 7th within a year with no real fundamental changes to the game (with the exception of the Psychic Phase I suppose).

I just wanted to let the OP know it's an option. If you can find like minded players, you don't always have to adopt the latest version of any game just because it's released, and GW is bad with the money grabbing.

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 Brutallica wrote:
Where is it stated that some models die with the edition change? I seriously doubt that..


Maybe since he just started 40K, maybe he could be thinking of codex change. So like how Imperial Guard/Astra Miliatrium lost Creed or what not. Just like how Dark Eldar lost a few characters. Maybe that is what he is thinking of. Or maybe he is thinking on the role they can play. Edition changes do change up people's army and hence they may not be used no more.

I believe it all depends on what you are playing. For example if you are playing Tyranids and making a Hive Tyrant, you can't go wrong if you magnatise. Or Warriors. For something like Gaunts or maybe Space Marines you really can't go wrong in making regular troops but anything more than that, if you don't magnetize, it's a chance you take. So either wait like I am, or if you have lots of games to be played, just do the basic minimum you need to play and the more expensive kits, you magnetize or just go by the "Look of Cool". For my Trygon/Mawloc I just made what looked cool to me and not WYSIWYG.

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it can depend a bit yeah, IMHO a demi-company of space marines is, model wise, a safe bet. times change and come and go, but 3 squads of tac marines, a squad of assault marines or bikers, and a devestator or centurion devestator squad are useally a safe bet

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BrianDavion wrote:
it can depend a bit yeah, IMHO a demi-company of space marines is, model wise, a safe bet. times change and come and go, but 3 squads of tac marines, a squad of assault marines or bikers, and a devestator or centurion devestator squad are useally a safe bet

I would say they're a safe bet in terms of rules. They'll be supported and probably acceptably good (especially if the Devastator weapons are magnetized).

I might be slightly concerned about size creep. I like a lot of the new GW models, but if they come out with new plastics that are noticeably bigger it feels weird to run a mix of them in the same army. I don't think it should be enough to stop a person, but it's something to be aware of.

There also might be tricks to deal with it. I was just eyeing a pile of 2nd edition orks yesterday. If I replace their heads and arms with extra bits from my current generation orks, and add shoulder plates and big backpacks, I think they could make decent Deathskull scavengers. That's easy to do with orks, though, and harder to do with Space Marines. I've got some poor old Khorne Berserkers that look like Imperial Guard compared to my more modern Berserkers. Maybe chop them up, add mutations and use them as possessed? Again, relatively easy to do with CSM, kind of difficult with Ultramarines.

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 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
it can depend a bit yeah, IMHO a demi-company of space marines is, model wise, a safe bet. times change and come and go, but 3 squads of tac marines, a squad of assault marines or bikers, and a devestator or centurion devestator squad are useally a safe bet

I would say they're a safe bet in terms of rules. They'll be supported and probably acceptably good (especially if the Devastator weapons are magnetized).

I might be slightly concerned about size creep. I like a lot of the new GW models, but if they come out with new plastics that are noticeably bigger it feels weird to run a mix of them in the same army. I don't think it should be enough to stop a person, but it's something to be aware of.

There also might be tricks to deal with it. I was just eyeing a pile of 2nd edition orks yesterday. If I replace their heads and arms with extra bits from my current generation orks, and add shoulder plates and big backpacks, I think they could make decent Deathskull scavengers. That's easy to do with orks, though, and harder to do with Space Marines. I've got some poor old Khorne Berserkers that look like Imperial Guard compared to my more modern Berserkers. Maybe chop them up, add mutations and use them as possessed? Again, relatively easy to do with CSM, kind of difficult with Ultramarines.


the Space Marine line though was VERY recently updated so once again I think the demi company is safe. it may not with future editions be the be all and end all, but over all it'll be a solid playable core to build out from

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HaterTot44 wrote:
I know that 8th edition is coming out this year.

No you don't.

"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."

This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.


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We do know that it will come this year

the hard "Facts" are from an non official interview on one of the open days and the stuff from SadPanda/Atia, with 8th Edition will come in 2017, they are aware that the rules are bloated and next edition will be less complicated

and past experience with GW rules and models tell us that nothing is save
of course only few models got removed from the rules in the past, but a lot of stuff got replaced with something new.
So getting a new model with similar but better rules is the way GW removes stuff on edition/codex change

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Davor wrote:
 Brutallica wrote:
Where is it stated that some models die with the edition change? I seriously doubt that..


Maybe since he just started 40K, maybe he could be thinking of codex change. So like how Imperial Guard/Astra Miliatrium lost Creed or what not. Just like how Dark Eldar lost a few characters. Maybe that is what he is thinking of. Or maybe he is thinking on the role they can play. Edition changes do change up people's army and hence they may not be used no more.

I believe it all depends on what you are playing. For example if you are playing Tyranids and making a Hive Tyrant, you can't go wrong if you magnatise. Or Warriors. For something like Gaunts or maybe Space Marines you really can't go wrong in making regular troops but anything more than that, if you don't magnetize, it's a chance you take. So either wait like I am, or if you have lots of games to be played, just do the basic minimum you need to play and the more expensive kits, you magnetize or just go by the "Look of Cool". For my Trygon/Mawloc I just made what looked cool to me and not WYSIWYG.


Creed is still in the codex......

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 kodos wrote:
We do know that it will come this year

Citation needed.

"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."

This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.


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 jreilly89 wrote:

Creed is still in the codex......


And your point is? Your post there seems a little snippy. Are you just trying to correct me? To me it looks like you are trying to shame me for making a mistake. Heave forbid someone makes a mistake. I guess I should have said Marbro. Might have spelt that wrong though. How ironic though. Someone who complains about immersion breaking, you are correcting me on a Rambo character though. By that I got the names mixed up.

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 jreilly89 wrote:
Davor wrote:
 Brutallica wrote:
Where is it stated that some models die with the edition change? I seriously doubt that..


Maybe since he just started 40K, maybe he could be thinking of codex change. So like how Imperial Guard/Astra Miliatrium lost Creed or what not. Just like how Dark Eldar lost a few characters. Maybe that is what he is thinking of. Or maybe he is thinking on the role they can play. Edition changes do change up people's army and hence they may not be used no more.

I believe it all depends on what you are playing. For example if you are playing Tyranids and making a Hive Tyrant, you can't go wrong if you magnatise. Or Warriors. For something like Gaunts or maybe Space Marines you really can't go wrong in making regular troops but anything more than that, if you don't magnetize, it's a chance you take. So either wait like I am, or if you have lots of games to be played, just do the basic minimum you need to play and the more expensive kits, you magnetize or just go by the "Look of Cool". For my Trygon/Mawloc I just made what looked cool to me and not WYSIWYG.


Creed is still in the codex......


Because he was only taken a few weeks ago. The codex hasn't been updated in years.

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Davor wrote:
 jreilly89 wrote:

Creed is still in the codex......


And your point is? Your post there seems a little snippy. Are you just trying to correct me? To me it looks like you are trying to shame me for making a mistake. Heave forbid someone makes a mistake. I guess I should have said Marbro. Might have spelt that wrong though. How ironic though. Someone who complains about immersion breaking, you are correcting me on a Rambo character though. By that I got the names mixed up.


I'm saying to not say the sky is falling until it actually falls. What if the new codex comes out and Creed is still in there, or Marbo gets put back?


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NivlacSupreme wrote:
 jreilly89 wrote:
Davor wrote:
 Brutallica wrote:
Where is it stated that some models die with the edition change? I seriously doubt that..


Maybe since he just started 40K, maybe he could be thinking of codex change. So like how Imperial Guard/Astra Miliatrium lost Creed or what not. Just like how Dark Eldar lost a few characters. Maybe that is what he is thinking of. Or maybe he is thinking on the role they can play. Edition changes do change up people's army and hence they may not be used no more.

I believe it all depends on what you are playing. For example if you are playing Tyranids and making a Hive Tyrant, you can't go wrong if you magnatise. Or Warriors. For something like Gaunts or maybe Space Marines you really can't go wrong in making regular troops but anything more than that, if you don't magnetize, it's a chance you take. So either wait like I am, or if you have lots of games to be played, just do the basic minimum you need to play and the more expensive kits, you magnetize or just go by the "Look of Cool". For my Trygon/Mawloc I just made what looked cool to me and not WYSIWYG.


Creed is still in the codex......


Because he was only taken a few weeks ago. The codex hasn't been updated in years.


And if he stays, or Marbo gets put back? No one knows what' going to happen yet.

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 jreilly89 wrote:
Davor wrote:
 jreilly89 wrote:

Creed is still in the codex......


And your point is? Your post there seems a little snippy. Are you just trying to correct me? To me it looks like you are trying to shame me for making a mistake. Heave forbid someone makes a mistake. I guess I should have said Marbro. Might have spelt that wrong though. How ironic though. Someone who complains about immersion breaking, you are correcting me on a Rambo character though. By that I got the names mixed up.


I'm saying to not say the sky is falling until it actually falls. What if the new codex comes out and Creed is still in there, or Marbo gets put back?


But you didn't say that. Maybe you ment that, but I didn't get that feeling at all.


Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.

Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?

Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".  
   
 
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