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Ever see all the new releases just for Stormcast even though they have enough gak? Kinda bothers me,but I bet the Stormcast players eat that up. I wish they just spread the love give attention to what needs it! Dwarves, Elves, Undead, OG Greenskinz. Give some love ya' fools!

It was just a release to go along with their updated battletome. They hadn't gotten anything since their releases in the beginning and that filler model that's just some conversion pieces.

I get the mentality of the poster boys getting constant love but this seems pretty reasonable to balance out their army roster (no longer just heavy units with bad magic) while giving some nerfs in their rules as well.

There's new stuff on the way with Duardin and Shadowkin(and hopefully Death).

It's also worth noting that the first real battletomes (those that included traits, spells, and relics) were Beastclaws, Sylvaneth, Bonesplittas, Tzeentch.

So effectively making Stormcast the 5th race to get a full tome, after 3 non order factions (sorry death players)

I would argue that the "love for Stormcast" does the exact opposite to hurting the Age of Sigmar!

Putting aside the obvious financial benefits of an army with strong sales, allowing the game to continue - they're a great first step!

I've seen so many people picking up the AoS starter set at my local because of the way the Stormcast look - and yet, in that same store, only one person plays them regularly! They're a great first army, new shiny models which CAN be fairly easy to paint and are relatively straightforward when it comes to learning the mechanics, they're the perfect introduction to the game!!

It's only after this initial interest that these people pick up further armies, based more on background or aesthetic, and this often becomes their main focus, with the small force of Stormcast sitting out!

So, yeah, I'd say that the Stormcast are great for the game!

stewe128 wrote:
Ever see all the new releases just for Stormcast even though they have enough gak?

Yes, I saw them.

stewe128 wrote:
Kinda bothers me,but I bet the Stormcast players eat that up.

I eat most of it up. I don't eat up the new vanguard foot soldiers.

stewe128 wrote:
I wish they just spread the love give attention to what needs it! Dwarves, Elves, Undead, OG Greenskinz. Give some love ya' fools!

It is most likely that they emerge in a form that you won't be familiar with or not at all. Speaking of being familiar with, what army do you play? Do you play at all or have some interest in AoS beside the rate of faction update and stormcast getting updated?

I'd have to argue that it is actually beneficial for a SC release, since I'd imagine a lot of people bought the starter over 1 specific Start Collecting release. SC also needed a nerf, which did come a long with a load of fresh rules to feel like we still GOT something.

I will give you something though, thanks for not coming across as another "AoS ruined fantasy and it was all the SC's fault" thread. Hopefully other factions will get the spotlight soon (which seems likely, given all the steampunk Duardin pics flying about... Stay tuned ).

As long as their next 4 chambers aren't opened in quick succession, or right after some other big release, I don't care too much.

Compared to what I've seen, the have a ot of tools and answers, but they're no where near as bad as say Space Marines in 40k with the level of 'love' there.

 CoreCommander wrote:

stewe128 wrote:
Ever see all the new releases just for Stormcast even though they have enough gak?

Yes, I saw them.

stewe128 wrote:
Kinda bothers me,but I bet the Stormcast players eat that up.

I eat most of it up. I don't eat up the new vanguard foot soldiers.

stewe128 wrote:
I wish they just spread the love give attention to what needs it! Dwarves, Elves, Undead, OG Greenskinz. Give some love ya' fools!

It is most likely that they emerge in a form that you won't be familiar with or not at all. Speaking of being familiar with, what army do you play? Do you play at all or have some interest in AoS beside the rate of faction update and stormcast getting updated?

Ironically enough, I'm going to. Loving the vanguard chamber and I'm going to model/paint them as astral templars. Now I just need that god-damn head from Ulric the slayer's model for my Lord Aquilor.

Considering almost all his posts have been 40k-related I'd say he shirks a bit on troll territory. Unintentional, most likely.

Funnily enough this is the driving force for my recent tests of my elven lists. I want to go to tournaments and prove that you need neither golden armored Mary Sues nor Treebeard and Friends in order to win as an Order Player. My patented Master Plan is to see how well I can do with my favorite dragon rider spam against those factions that clearly received more attention - I hear gold makes for good cooking foil.

Whether it hurts the game or not is a question I am thoroughly underqualified to answer, so I'll just do my thing and see what everyone else does until things change. For now though I see it as a challenge.

Can you imagine how it must feel, to beat the Mary Sues at their own game? In ways that absolutely nobody would have expected before today?
Viva la Revolucion, todos!

I actually did a fair amount of investigation in my area on finding people interested in AoS.
The main reason it isn't being played here is because everyone was waiting for proof it would be more than just Stormcast, Stormcast and even more Stormcast and some releases for everyone else.
So far, and we could be wrong, it's every second release is Stormcast. No other new races, just Stormcast.
And everyone got sick of waiting.

Every second release per year or per release? The former is true so far if you count Khorne as the first AoS army and false if you count the latter.

What baffles me that a single army can cause people to not like a game because their image pops up a lot. Though I heard similar "GW needs to get over it's German imperialism obsession" comments with how much love the Empire got as well, I suppose.

Only thing stranger to me is some people that say Stormcast don't fit in with Warhammer fantasy when the concept of god-powered knights is such an old one.

Can you imagine how it must feel, to beat the Mary Sues at their own game? In ways that absolutely nobody would have expected before today? 
Viva la Revolucion, todos!

Quite easily as we Bretonnians do it with average regularity.

None of that revolution talk though, can't give the peasants ideas.

I can understand people wanting the other factions to get more love, or any at all in some cases.

but i would be lying if the gryph hounds didn't almost make up for the stormcast storm. they're... so adorable...

I love my imaginary gryph hounds only army.

Joyboozer wrote:
I actually did a fair amount of investigation in my area on finding people interested in AoS.
The main reason it isn't being played here is because everyone was waiting for proof it would be more than just Stormcast, Stormcast and even more Stormcast and some releases for everyone else.
So far, and we could be wrong, it's every second release is Stormcast. No other new races, just Stormcast.
And everyone got sick of waiting.

Your friends aren't very bright, stormcasts have gotten the most releases sure, but they've released tons of other stuff and stormcasts are pretty much done for quite a while.


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Mraj__Undefined wrote:
Funnily enough this is the driving force for my recent tests of my elven lists. I want to go to tournaments and prove that you need neither golden armored Mary Sues nor Treebeard and Friends in order to win as an Order Player. My patented Master Plan is to see how well I can do with my favorite dragon rider spam against those factions that clearly received more attention - I hear gold makes for good cooking foil.

Whether it hurts the game or not is a question I am thoroughly underqualified to answer, so I'll just do my thing and see what everyone else does until things change. For now though I see it as a challenge.

Can you imagine how it must feel, to beat the Mary Sues at their own game? In ways that absolutely nobody would have expected before today?
Viva la Revolucion, todos!

Only people who don't play stormcasts think that about stormcasts. There was 1 viable tournament list that was totally monobuild for stormcasts before the new book, now we're weaker but have a much larger range of approximately equal build options, which is good for everyone. The only people who see stormcasts as 'OP' on the table are either playing against a lot of warrior brotherhood, letting the 'sigmar's chosen' fluff depictions bleed out onto the table, or are trying to use a synergistic army in a non-synergistic way when playing stormcasts.

Stormcasts seem really powerful when people first start because they don't rely on synergy and buffs to be successful, then people realize that the reason they don't rely on buffs is because they honestly don't HAVE many buffs, you realize that they're just as vulnerable as any non-tomb kings,beastclaw/grots,finely tuned mixed chaos list in the game.

Well they were more or less a new army, and now they seem pretty fleshed out. I think its safe to say the next 2-3 AoS releases will not be stormcast. Its obvious Duardin are next, and some form of Elves may be on the way later on.

They do have some chambers left to expand on, so I would expect more releases for them at some point. But I think GW could get away with not releasing anything else for them till 2018.

Regardless I thought the new models were good, so I can't complain too much. Even if I don't play em, I can't bag on more good models being released.

Joyboozer wrote:
I actually did a fair amount of investigation in my area on finding people interested in AoS.
The main reason it isn't being played here is because everyone was waiting for proof it would be more than just Stormcast, Stormcast and even more Stormcast and some releases for everyone else.
So far, and we could be wrong, it's every second release is Stormcast. No other new races, just Stormcast.
And everyone got sick of waiting.

So they just waited 4 releases? Because after extremis it was almost all different factions: FEC, IJ, FS, Sylvaneth, BS, BCR, DoT... sure they got a character or two around but that's not really a release.

ERJAK wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
I actually did a fair amount of investigation in my area on finding people interested in AoS.
The main reason it isn't being played here is because everyone was waiting for proof it would be more than just Stormcast, Stormcast and even more Stormcast and some releases for everyone else.
So far, and we could be wrong, it's every second release is Stormcast. No other new races, just Stormcast.
And everyone got sick of waiting.

Your friends aren't very bright, stormcasts have gotten the most releases sure, but they've released tons of other stuff and stormcasts are pretty much done for quite a while.


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Mraj__Undefined wrote:
Funnily enough this is the driving force for my recent tests of my elven lists. I want to go to tournaments and prove that you need neither golden armored Mary Sues nor Treebeard and Friends in order to win as an Order Player. My patented Master Plan is to see how well I can do with my favorite dragon rider spam against those factions that clearly received more attention - I hear gold makes for good cooking foil.

Whether it hurts the game or not is a question I am thoroughly underqualified to answer, so I'll just do my thing and see what everyone else does until things change. For now though I see it as a challenge.

Can you imagine how it must feel, to beat the Mary Sues at their own game? In ways that absolutely nobody would have expected before today?
Viva la Revolucion, todos!

Only people who don't play stormcasts think that about stormcasts. There was 1 viable tournament list that was totally monobuild for stormcasts before the new book, now we're weaker but have a much larger range of approximately equal build options, which is good for everyone. The only people who see stormcasts as 'OP' on the table are either playing against a lot of warrior brotherhood, letting the 'sigmar's chosen' fluff depictions bleed out onto the table, or are trying to use a synergistic army in a non-synergistic way when playing stormcasts.

Stormcasts seem really powerful when people first start because they don't rely on synergy and buffs to be successful, then people realize that the reason they don't rely on buffs is because they honestly don't HAVE many buffs, you realize that they're just as vulnerable as any non-tomb kings,beastclaw/grots,finely tuned mixed chaos list in the game.

Fair points, especially about synergy. Like some returning fantasy players I am at this point earning experience with what I have and figuring out what REALLY Works before I decide whether or not to buy the golden boys. I'd more than likely change my tune if I did so and found things that worked, so for now they are more of a personal target for leveling up. If I can have fun games with the armies I used to collect, I'll call that a win.

I'm honestly more bitter about the elves being divided into ten armies than the SCE constantly being given installments. I'd probably have a clearer understanding of this if I worked for GW design, but until then I'll continue trying to have cool, fun matchups in my local area.

Thanks for keeping this civil, have a good day

Yeah, the elves thing was BS. Now you need to draw units from all 3 elf factions just to be able to start competing and almost everything is crazy overpriced. Shadow warriors 20pts per model? What? And why are spearmen 80 when they're worse then skeletons? Idk, the elves need help.

Although don't underestimate double frostheart pheonix Teclis, Wander deer ladiea and glade guard put together.

Lord Kragan wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
I actually did a fair amount of investigation in my area on finding people interested in AoS.
The main reason it isn't being played here is because everyone was waiting for proof it would be more than just Stormcast, Stormcast and even more Stormcast and some releases for everyone else.
So far, and we could be wrong, it's every second release is Stormcast. No other new races, just Stormcast.
And everyone got sick of waiting.

So they just waited 4 releases? Because after extremis it was almost all different factions: FEC, IJ, FS, Sylvaneth, BS, BCR, DoT... sure they got a character or two around but that's not really a release.

It's probably not an accurate view, but it's hard to see anything other than Stormcast when you're looking at AoS, every white dwarf has the army of the month/ Stormcast, starter sets Stormcast, they get the larger share of GWs attention, same as 40k with marines.
One day I hope people can look at AoS and see a heap of great armies, but unfortunately at the moment it's just the sigmarine game, because that's what people see.

Joyboozer wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
I actually did a fair amount of investigation in my area on finding people interested in AoS.
The main reason it isn't being played here is because everyone was waiting for proof it would be more than just Stormcast, Stormcast and even more Stormcast and some releases for everyone else.
So far, and we could be wrong, it's every second release is Stormcast. No other new races, just Stormcast.
And everyone got sick of waiting.

So they just waited 4 releases? Because after extremis it was almost all different factions: FEC, IJ, FS, Sylvaneth, BS, BCR, DoT... sure they got a character or two around but that's not really a release.

It's probably not an accurate view, but it's hard to see anything other than Stormcast when you're looking at AoS, every white dwarf has the army of the month/ Stormcast, starter sets Stormcast, they get the larger share of GWs attention, same as 40k with marines.
One day I hope people can look at AoS and see a heap of great armies, but unfortunately at the moment it's just the sigmarine game, because that's what people see.

No you choose to see that GW have been advertising and showing other armies for ages. Almost all the releases prior have not been stormcast and after this update I don't think they will see one for another year or so and I am talking as a Death player.

I think in general it's that people are tired of the Imperium/Marine approach where they get the lion's share of releases while everyone else languishes. GW already IMHO made a big mistake putting so many things into Order, because Order is already the largest Grand Alliance and will by virtue of that get the most releases. They can't seem to properly divide factions so one group isn't getting the majority of releases, which as a result cripples everyone else. Death, for example, is probably the weakest alliance (not counting Tomb Kings since they are legacy) and is unlikely to get anything for a while because Dwarfs are coming and Aelves are rumored, and both of those are Order.

Wayniac wrote:
I think in general it's that people are tired of the Imperium/Marine approach where they get the lion's share of releases while everyone else languishes. GW already IMHO made a big mistake putting so many things into Order, because Order is already the largest Grand Alliance and will by virtue of that get the most releases. They can't seem to properly divide factions so one group isn't getting the majority of releases, which as a result cripples everyone else. Death, for example, is probably the weakest alliance (not counting Tomb Kings since they are legacy) and is unlikely to get anything for a while because Dwarfs are coming and Aelves are rumored, and both of those are Order.

I for one would have found SCE more appealing if the designers went with a Greek Hoplite look rather than More Sanguinary Guard. Scribor or somebody would probably scream copyright, but mohawks and Corinthian helms are a much cooler look than what they have now.

I'm kind of wandering what they could come up with if the design team chose to expand the Death forces; what unique stuff could they think of that hasn't been circulated yet?

Ice-temed zombies. Or cathay-anesque soul-jars a la terracota army.

I think Death poses a problem, because there are two main routes:

1) Go more general horror, or what I like to call "Castlevania" style referring to how the Castlevania games had a plethora of different horror movie monsters in it. But then it's not exactly "Death" if you start having werewolves and Frankenstein's monster and such.

2) Different types of undead? Go close to (without infringing somehow) on WoW's "Scourge". Flesh golems, bone giants, Death Knights (basically a Wight Sorcerer) things like that. Death cultists would be interesting, but it would almost make Death too close to Chaos. Also the obvious infringing on Blizzard, and the fact even if "ice themed undead of various types" isn't copyrightable, GW would not dare risk being accused of being unoriginal.

I'm really not sure how they could expand Death. Maybe the solution is to expand it into a "Necromantic" army, not just Death. So you can have all sorts of dark magic infused things without having to keep the trope of skeletons/zombies/ghouls/vampires.

I know I'd like to have more Necromancers, Death Acolytes, flesh golems (basically frankenstein but looks-wise I'm thinking either closer to a WoW Abomination or Melchiah from the original Soul Reaver, a giant blob of flesh fused together), bone giants (heyy we already had these), etc. Also I think they should bring back things like carrion, and waiths as a unit.

Wayniac wrote:
I think in general it's that people are tired of the Imperium/Marine approach where they get the lion's share of releases while everyone else languishes.

Let's be honest here. People whined about Stormcast even at the launch of the range. It doesn't matter the truth of it(there was as many Chaos releases as there were Stormcast at the launch; and that's discounting the reboxed stuff from End Times), it's the perception of it. It would be helpful to show people when they're wrong or 'forgot' about stuff.

People were always going to whine about Stormcast as they have the "perception" of them just being Space Marines copy/pasted over. They tried something different at the start(they initially weren't going to be unhelmed ever, from what some of the designers had said) where the Stormcast were less human and more akin to an otherworldly force with no real 'connection' to humanity.

People whined about that and now they're trying to go back and make them more 'human' because apparently it's important that the Stormcast still remember how to get drunk or whatever the latest stupid questions are regarding the Stormcast.

GW already IMHO made a big mistake putting so many things into Order, because Order is already the largest Grand Alliance and will by virtue of that get the most releases.

And yet, Order as "the largest Grand Alliance" has effectively had three big releases. Sylvaneth(reboxed Dryads and Treeman, rebadged Finecast Drycha as a Branchwraith, with four new boxes in the form of Alarielle, Drycha, Tree/Spite Revenants and Kurnoth Hunters. Single new blister of the Branchwych), Stormcast Eternals(new range; initially was broken up into Eternals and Extremis), Fyreslayers(new range; three boxes and three blisters at the start).

Chaos has had two big releases and one moderately sized release: Tzeentch Arcanites(whole new range including a brand new Kairos Fateweaver/Lord of Change barring some of the Daemons, Gaunt Summoners, and a few Finecast characters)
Khorne Bloodbound which was a whole new range barring the Daemon stuff, Juggernaut Riders, Skarr Bloodwrath and the whirlygig chain guys whose name eludes me now. The latter came with End Times the year prior same as Skarbrand, the Bloodthirster kit and some of the "core" stuff for the Nurgle Rotbringers(the Glottkin, Plague Lords on mounts, and Blight Kings) and new stuff for the Skaven as well(Thanquol & Boneripper, Verminlord kits).

Everchosen--a brand new Archaon, the Varanguard kit(which builds devoted for each God--barring Slaanesh I guess, but that's more that there is nothing overtly Slaanesh), and the first of the Gaunt Summoner kits.

Remind me again what Elves, Humans, and Dwarfs saw during the End Times? Oh right. Books. And a re-release of Valten.

They can't seem to properly divide factions so one group isn't getting the majority of releases, which as a result cripples everyone else. Death, for example, is probably the weakest alliance (not counting Tomb Kings since they are legacy) and is unlikely to get anything for a while because Dwarfs are coming and Aelves are rumored, and both of those are Order.

Death, while one of the 'weakest alliances' is also one of the ones that didn't make a huge appearance during the campaign books that we got.

Which is seemingly how they're wanting to do things now. IMO, it's not a bad idea as it lets them pace/plan things out their way.

Wayniac wrote:

I'm really not sure how they could expand Death.

realy not that hard.
fill out the splinter factions, that is all it needs.

basicly the need is some proper heroes/mages, behemoths, range units, artilery and elite for soulblight, deadwalkers, deathrattle, flesh-eater and nighthaunt so you can field pure allegiance armys above 1k points that is the basic limit today due to lack of models.

aka, say you want a pure 2k nighthaunt army, that would mean you would need ghost heros, necros, wizzes, battleline, elites, artilery, range units, and behemoth.
not that hard to create a bunch of different ghost models to fill thouse demands. same for skellys, vamps, zombies and ghouls.

thing is though, that death lacks SOOOOOO mutch models that it would basicly be a re release of death grand alliance when it happends. 1/3 of the alliance is still in resin.......

Joyboozer wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
I actually did a fair amount of investigation in my area on finding people interested in AoS.
The main reason it isn't being played here is because everyone was waiting for proof it would be more than just Stormcast, Stormcast and even more Stormcast and some releases for everyone else.
So far, and we could be wrong, it's every second release is Stormcast. No other new races, just Stormcast.
And everyone got sick of waiting.

So they just waited 4 releases? Because after extremis it was almost all different factions: FEC, IJ, FS, Sylvaneth, BS, BCR, DoT... sure they got a character or two around but that's not really a release.

It's probably not an accurate view, but it's hard to see anything other than Stormcast when you're looking at AoS, every white dwarf has the army of the month/ Stormcast, starter sets Stormcast, they get the larger share of GWs attention, same as 40k with marines.
One day I hope people can look at AoS and see a heap of great armies, but unfortunately at the moment it's just the sigmarine game, because that's what people see.

Actually the last few WD have had pretty big spreads on non-Stormcast armies. There was the Tale of 4 Warlords (which actually was what helped me get into AoS) a Skaven vs. Seraphon how to play and a few other things. The only armies that are truly truly lacking in their presentation of the "core" armies are the Order armies with all varities of Aelfs (although they did get a smidge of love from the Spire of Dawn box) Duradin (dispossed), and the Freeguild, who have had zero attention. Having just started a Skaven army I am chomping at the bit to get some Duradin releases so I can properly start an Order army.

@ OP: It is really a sad affair. GW just tries too hard to sell these golden boys. They overshadow every other faction in a most blatant fashion. Sigmarines are also rather dull looking and might deter prospective war gamers from entering the hobby. It would have been wiser to let transsexual daemons be the posterboys/-girls of the setting. An "Age of Slaanesh" so to speak. The young target audience would have been overjoyed by this business move. Instead of Blood Angels, skimpy Diaz Daemonettes would be all over the place. Alas, just a botched attempt at creating an evocative new fantasy world/realm.

Hardy har har...

I'll take god-blessed knights, thank you very much.

ERJAK wrote:
Yeah, the elves thing was BS. Now you need to draw units from all 3 elf factions just to be able to start competing and almost everything is crazy overpriced. Shadow warriors 20pts per model? What? And why are spearmen 80 when they're worse then skeletons? Idk, the elves need help.

Although don't underestimate double frostheart pheonix Teclis, Wander deer ladiea and glade guard put together.

Well, it was done during the pre-matched play days so maybe they were going for flavor and fluff over crunch?

Hopefully they'll get a battletome that makes things easier for their groups. Though if it means a battletome per aelf faction I wouldn't see a reason to complain either.

Lord Kragan wrote:
Ice-temed zombies. Or cathay-anesque soul-jars a la terracota army.

Haha, here's to theories!

With the Flesh-Eater court it opens up the precedent that the undead don't have to be actually undead.

An army made of living Nagash worshippers or a mixed army would be very possible.

Yeah it all depends, but what I've noticed is just such a nuisance. Sigmarines get the whole enchilada, and I hope they change it up this next quarter. If they don't though and release just another onslaught of sigmarine parakeet madness it'd be tough to keep in the game. I play old school Greenskinz for those that questioned if I even played Sigmar. They're a descent and fun army, but with all the named characters Sigmarines are getting I just hope they spread the love to even Grots.

 FrozenDwarf wrote:

Wayniac wrote:

I'm really not sure how they could expand Death.

realy not that hard.
fill out the splinter factions, that is all it needs.

basicly the need is some proper heroes/mages, behemoths, range units, artilery and elite for soulblight, deadwalkers, deathrattle, flesh-eater and nighthaunt so you can field pure allegiance armys above 1k points that is the basic limit today due to lack of models.

aka, say you want a pure 2k nighthaunt army, that would mean you would need ghost heros, necros, wizzes, battleline, elites, artilery, range units, and behemoth.
not that hard to create a bunch of different ghost models to fill thouse demands. same for skellys, vamps, zombies and ghouls.

thing is though, that death lacks SOOOOOO mutch models that it would basicly be a re release of death grand alliance when it happends. 1/3 of the alliance is still in resin.......

Oh Gods, plastic Blood Knight Kits! Genius!
...just please don't be $300 for a box of 20