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HI
I´m thinking about adding an Adl to my Death guard vectorium. The reason is because my heldrakes always come later than i want and i´m adding a mayhem pack to my army (3 helbrutes with DS). So adding a aegis defenceline for my 2 havocs squads with comms relay might be the answer to my problems. Problem is that i like the Chaos warband in my vectorium and not the CAD. How World you guys add a ADL in a army like mine?

If you got deep striking units, helldrakes and havoc's then I don't understand why you would choose not to have an aegis defence line with comm.

Last weekend played a 1500 point tournament and for that I needed to downsize my 1850 point armylist. I choose not to bring my comm relay because I got a 2+ reserve anyway (Genestealer cult formation). First game I roll six '1' results for my Genestealer cult units. That reroll is vital for these kind of armies.

Are you going to need to take a CAD as well as the Vectorium in order to get the Fortification?

 andysonic1 wrote:
Are you going to need to take a CAD as well as the Vectorium in order to get the Fortification?

I think so. Dont think the vectorium lets me tale a fortification.


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shogun wrote:
If you got deep striking units, helldrakes and havoc's then I don't understand why you would choose not to have an aegis defence line with comm.

Its mostly for the comms relay so i can reroll my brutes and drakes coming inn. The defence line is just Nice for my havocs.

Are you thinking about taking a different legion for your CAD? This opens up new ideas for my World Eater army where my Havocs are getting blown away easily, however I only have one unit of Termicide for deep striking. The turret being used by the Havoc Champ could be neat though.

Depends on what you're doing. If you need AA, it's not really cost effective - 85pts for a single Lascannon shot is bad, and 100pts for 4 twin-linked Autocannon shots is only a little better.

For the cover... Yeah, it's not bad at all. Depends on how much cover you use at your LGS, though - If you and your friends are fond of littering the board with ruins and area terrain, then it's not going to be as valuable, but if you play on light boards, then that 4+ cover can be pretty invaluable. (And in that case, the extra 35/50pts for an AA gun is... Still not great, but it's at least less bad.)

For the comms relay... Great choice, if you have a ton of reserves that rely on rolling and don't want to be screwed by a bit of bad luck.

Waaaghpower wrote:
Depends on what you're doing. If you need AA, it's not really cost effective - 85pts for a single Lascannon shot is bad, and 100pts for 4 twin-linked Autocannon shots is only a little better.

For the cover... Yeah, it's not bad at all. Depends on how much cover you use at your LGS, though - If you and your friends are fond of littering the board with ruins and area terrain, then it's not going to be as valuable, but if you play on light boards, then that 4+ cover can be pretty invaluable. (And in that case, the extra 35/50pts for an AA gun is... Still not great, but it's at least less bad.)

For the comms relay... Great choice, if you have a ton of reserves that rely on rolling and don't want to be screwed by a bit of bad luck.

I was planning on using it for cover for my havoc squads and the comms relay for hy two heldrakes and the mayhem pack. Problem is i need to bring a CAD.

if i bring the CAD instendig of my vectorium with the warband, all i lose is objektive secured on the troops in the warband right?

It's some of the cheapest reserve manipulation in the game. Doesn't mesh well with BA, but for most armies it's fine.

Ever think about a small renegades and heretic cad? Command Squad and two zombie units will only set you back 105 points, while giving you two 10 man 4+ FNP squads and 5 guardsmen with a leadership that could be 5 or 10.

I always bring an ADL, usually for the Quad Gun though. Have it give my artillery a cover save while the Quad is pretty good antiair when next to my Rapiers

Oh chaos gods don't tempt me with Renegades and Heretics. Rapiers are so tempting, beams of death firing over my charging marines....

SirSweetroll wrote:
Ever think about a small renegades and heretic cad? Command Squad and two zombie units will only set you back 105 points, while giving you two 10 man 4+ FNP squads and 5 guardsmen with a leadership that could be 5 or 10.

I always bring an ADL, usually for the Quad Gun though. Have it give my artillery a cover save while the Quad is pretty good antiair when next to my Rapiers

That sounds like the answer to my problems. I've seen Renegades and heretics in a few top tier lists, but I honestly have no idea what they do. How would they do with my death guard warband? I usually run a combination of bikes, min squads of CSM in rhinos, havocs, chosen Melta squad, 2 heldrakes, cult of destruction with oblits, nurgle spawn and my recent addition the mayhem pack.

Renegades do artillery. They do a lot of artillery. They do so much artillery that there's literally a warlord in their army that can fire on their own units. They do so much artillery that it makes Imperial Guard look like Space Wolves.

 andysonic1 wrote:
Renegades do artillery.

This is pretty much the extent of what I know about about heretics and renegades. Any suggestions on a small cheap little CAD I could bring with my DG to get a cheap comms relay and ADL?

SirSweetroll wrote:
Ever think about a small renegades and heretic cad? Command Squad and two zombie units will only set you back 105 points, while giving you two 10 man 4+ FNP squads and 5 guardsmen with a leadership that could be 5 or 10.

I always bring an ADL, usually for the Quad Gun though. Have it give my artillery a cover save while the Quad is pretty good antiair when next to my Rapiers

SirSweetroll wrote:
Ever think about a small renegades and heretic cad? Command Squad and two zombie units will only set you back 105 points, while giving you two 10 man 4+ FNP squads and 5 guardsmen with a leadership that could be 5 or 10.

I always bring an ADL, usually for the Quad Gun though. Have it give my artillery a cover save while the Quad is pretty good antiair when next to my Rapiers

Zombies are only unlocked when your Command Squad's Arch-Demagogue is the Warlord and has the Covenant of Nurgle

You can just take Mutants for the same price though, they just don't get FNP and Fearless

Wow.. Good catch CrownAxe... Ive been playing that wrong for awhile then, I thought he just needed the Covenant. (Just got back into my CSMs being the main detachment)

BTW, he could, on the flip side take The Purge, grab two units of discount spawn and the fortification and call it a day right?

I'd take an Alpha Legion CAD to unlock the extras you need.

2 squads of infiltrating obsec cultists are jus so damn tasty.
Bring a barebones Psyker too and roll for Shrousing for a lovely 2+ behind the wall


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I'd take an Alpha Legion CAD to unlock the extras you need.

2 squads of infiltrating obsec cultists are jus so damn tasty.
Bring a barebones Psyker too and roll for Shrousing for a lovely 2+ behind the wall

Grim Squeaker wrote:
I'd take an Alpha Legion CAD to unlock the extras you need.

2 squads of infiltrating obsec cultists are jus so damn tasty.
Bring a barebones Psyker too and roll for Shrousing for a lovely 2+ behind the wall


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I'd take an Alpha Legion CAD to unlock the extras you need.

2 squads of infiltrating obsec cultists are jus so damn tasty.
Bring a barebones Psyker too and roll for Shrousing for a lovely 2+ behind the wall

This is what i have so far.

+++ New Roster (Warhammer 40,000 7th Edition v2027) (1850pts) +++

++ CSM Death Guard Vectorium (Chaos Space Marines: Codex (2012) v2014) (1318pts) ++

+ Uncategorised +

········Force Options (Supplement options here) [Death Guard]

+ Core (978pts) +

········Chaos Warband (978pts)
············Chaos Bikers [Mark of Nurgle, 2x Meltagun, Veterans of the Long War]
················2x Chaos Biker [2x Bolt Pistol, 2x Close Combat Weapon, 2x Combi-bolter on Bike, 2x Frag and Krak Grenades]
················Chaos Biker Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Combi-bolter on Bike, Frag and Krak Grenades]
············Chaos Lord [Gift of Mutation, Lightning Claw, Mark of Nurgle, Power Fist, Veterans of the Long War, Warlord]
················Bike [Combi-bolter on Bike]
················Power Armour [Frag and Krak Grenades]
············Chaos Space Marines [Mark of Nurgle, Plasma Gun, Veterans of the Long War]
················Aspiring Champion [Boltgun, Frag and Krak Grenades]
················4x Chaos Marine with Boltgun [4x Bolt Pistol, 4x Boltgun, 4x Frag and Krak Grenades]
················Chaos Rhino [Combi-bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers]
············Chaos Space Marines [Mark of Nurgle, Plasma Gun, Veterans of the Long War]
················Aspiring Champion [Boltgun, Frag and Krak Grenades]
················4x Chaos Marine with Boltgun [4x Bolt Pistol, 4x Boltgun, 4x Frag and Krak Grenades]
················Chaos Rhino [Combi-bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers]
············Chosen [Mark of Nurgle, 4x Replace boltgun w/ Meltagun, Veterans of the Long War]
················Chaos Rhino [Combi-bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers]
················Chosen Champion [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun, Frag and Krak Grenades]
················4x Chosen with Boltgun, CCW and Boltpistol [4x Bolt Pistol, 4x Close Combat Weapon, 4x Frag and Krak Grenades]
············Havocs [4x Autocannon, Mark of Nurgle, Veterans of the Long War]
················Aspiring Champion [Boltgun, Frag and Krak Grenades]
················4x Havoc [4x Bolt Pistol, 4x Frag and Krak Grenades]
············Havocs [4x Autocannon, Mark of Nurgle, Veterans of the Long War]
················Aspiring Champion [Boltgun, Frag and Krak Grenades]
················4x Havoc [4x Bolt Pistol, 4x Frag and Krak Grenades]

+ Auxiliary (340pts) +

········Heldrake Terror Pack (340pts)
············Heldrake [Baleflamer]
············Heldrake [Baleflamer]

++ Formation Detachment (Chaos Space Marines: Codex (2012) v2014) (300pts) ++

+ Uncategorised +

········Force Options (Supplement options here) [Death Guard]

+ Formation (300pts) +

········Mayhem Pack (300pts)
············Helbrute [Multi-melta, Power fist]
············Helbrute [Multi-melta, Power fist]
············Helbrute [Multi-melta, Power fist]

++ Combined Arms Detachment (Chaos Space Marines: Codex (2012) v2014) (232pts) ++

+ Uncategorised +

········Force Options (Supplement options here) [Alpha Legion]

+ HQ (60pts) +

········Sorcerer (60pts) [Veterans of the Long War]
············Power Armour [Frag and Krak Grenades]

+ Troops (102pts) +

········Chaos Cultists (52pts)
············Cultist Champion [Auto Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Shotgun]
············9x Cultists [9x Close Combat Weapon]

········Chaos Cultists (50pts)
············Cultist Champion [Auto Pistol, Close Combat Weapon]
············9x Cultists [9x Close Combat Weapon]

+ Fortification (70pts) +

········Aegis Defense Line (70pts) [Comms Relay]