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Gibbering Horde of Chaos




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The primary focus of this query is how humans and others susceptible to mutations caused by exposure to the warp mutate the way they do. We know that those who give themselves over to Nurgle experience the symptoms of diseases, parasites, and things like fungal infections. They are changed to suit Nurgle as Nurgle sees fit. But how much fine control would Nurgle have on a select individual or group? The problem with the theory that Nurgle Cultists and CSM's have every disease known to the infinite cosmos is that science has proven that certain diseases cannot coexist in the same body as another, or that the result of a specific diseases symptoms would make it unsuitable for another disease to take hold and propagate to a noticeable effect. So is it possible that given enough focus and attention Nurgle could make a select number of people to infect with a new disease while making sure that they aren't infected with anything else? Clearly it's impossible to do so on a pure subject, what with natural antibodies, inoculations on civilized worlds, and existing health conditions but the primary question remains is:

Can a Chaos god specifically target someone and chose specific mutations to occur on that person without further mutations happening because of lingering exposure to chaos?
Other short examples would include:
Slaneesh: Making a (insert species here) female a futa, or give an existing male a vagina/ass pussy without changing anything else in their physical make-up?
Tzeentch: Making it so a (insert species here) has extra appendages that can be hidden within the body without outward evidence that it is there. (Kaneki's back tentacles from Tokyo Ghoul)
Nurgle: Typhoid Mary situation, looks completely normal behaves like in the peak of health but spreads diseases better than plague rats.
Khorne: Completely normal looking person; calm, collected, non-threatening but casts an aura of hatred and violence that affects those nearby. (Like in Kingsman Secret Service)

For whatever reason (if they even bothered to have one) can the Chaos gods be that exact?

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Control is not the chaos raison d'etre.

It's like all the chaos armies all looking the same. That sort of uniformity should insult them. They're called chaos for a reason, not "order" or uniformity.

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 PyriteHearts wrote:
The problem with the theory that Nurgle Cultists and CSM's have every disease known to the infinite cosmos is that science has proven that certain diseases cannot coexist in the same body as another, or that the result of a specific diseases symptoms would make it unsuitable for another disease to take hold and propagate to a noticeable effect.


The Warp cares little for reality.

 PyriteHearts wrote:

Can a Chaos god specifically target someone and chose specific mutations to occur on that person without further mutations happening because of lingering exposure to chaos?
Other short examples would include:
Slaneesh: Making a (insert species here) female a futa, or give an existing male a vagina/ass pussy without changing anything else in their physical make-up?
Tzeentch: Making it so a (insert species here) has extra appendages that can be hidden within the body without outward evidence that it is there. (Kaneki's back tentacles from Tokyo Ghoul)
Nurgle: Typhoid Mary situation, looks completely normal behaves like in the peak of health but spreads diseases better than plague rats.
Khorne: Completely normal looking person; calm, collected, non-threatening but casts an aura of hatred and violence that affects those nearby. (Like in Kingsman Secret Service)

For whatever reason (if they even bothered to have one) can the Chaos gods be that exact?


I don't ever recollect Slaanesh giving anyone those specific mutations. Slaanesh is the god of excess, not genitals.

I've always viewed the Chaos gods more as forces of nature rather than as individuals, at least when viewed in human terms. Their minds, as such, are far too alien for humans to comprehend.

   
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To be fair, excessive genitals is still excess...

I do think people do tend to play up the sex' part of sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll though...

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Whilst I haven't read the story myself, in the new gathering storm book, nurgles infections/mutations are inflicted upon imperial civies and troops. They seem to be magically healing when in the presence of RG though, which causes him to travel across the sector 'healing' the people afflicted by them. As it turns out, it was a ploy by nurgle all along to tie him up to the sector, nurgle was choosing to 'heal' those effected when in RG's presence.

It stands to reason that it is potentially possible for them to change any mutation they have 'gifted' their followers should it suit them to do so. I just imagine it mostly does not suit them to take them away or change them.

It would be cool if Slanesh changed Fulgrim back to a more human form, the snake thing is just bleh and over the top.

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 Ynneadwraith wrote:
To be fair, excessive genitals is still excess...

I do think people do tend to play up the sex' part of sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll though...


I should also note perfection.

But aye, a large degree of the player base seems to focus on that, though there is so much else to Slaanesh.
   
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Slaanesh is far less sexual and far more "How can I be the most appealing/torturous being in the universe."

So while excessive genitalia may be a thing, a persuasive aura, faster-than-logic movement and cocaine is far more in character

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Personally, I absolutely love the 'perfection' angle to Slaanesh I've got a Slaanesh warband sort of in the making that's all gleaming armour and those sculpted abs torsos from Stormcast

That, and it adds real nuance to the whole Eldar situation, specifically Craftworlders. They've got the arrogance to think that they've cheated Slaanesh with the Path system, where what they're really doing is focusing on something to near-perfection before moving onto something else. Definitely not feeding Slaanesh. Oh no...

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 Ynneadwraith wrote:
That, and it adds real nuance to the whole Eldar situation, specifically Craftworlders. They've got the arrogance to think that they've cheated Slaanesh with the Path system, where what they're really doing is focusing on something to near-perfection before moving onto something else. Definitely not feeding Slaanesh. Oh no...


Isn't that the reason no Eldar, bar Exarchs, truly perfect any path? Even Exarchs have the work around when it comes to avoiding Slaanesh's grabby mitts.

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Mutations are pretty extremely random.

There's no real specifics bar nurgle goes all desiesy...

Slenesh might make one hyper sensetive so they can feel it well when they stabb someone with a claw.

Others may be able to morph or mutate.

And krone might just give you one big ass arm to better chop people and claim skulls.

But mutations could be anything from easy to hide to having tenticles and having 14 eyes.

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 Tactical_Spam wrote:
 Ynneadwraith wrote:
That, and it adds real nuance to the whole Eldar situation, specifically Craftworlders. They've got the arrogance to think that they've cheated Slaanesh with the Path system, where what they're really doing is focusing on something to near-perfection before moving onto something else. Definitely not feeding Slaanesh. Oh no...


Isn't that the reason no Eldar, bar Exarchs, truly perfect any path? Even Exarchs have the work around when it comes to avoiding Slaanesh's grabby mitts.[/quote

Perhaps (probably really), but I feel it adds more nuance to the Eldar as a whole if in their arrogance both the Dark Eldar and the Craftworlders think they've cheated Slaanesh out of what's rightfully hers, when in reality they're actually doing precisely what she would want them to do (wanton excess and pursuit of perfection respectively). In their hubris, they're both blind to this.

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I think they can control the mutations but why bother.

Do you sit at your computer deciding what information every byte of data will store, how every process is ordered, or do you merely use it as a tool to achieve bigger things without thinking about the minute details. In this situation the humans are single bytes of data in a huge supercomputer and the chaos gods are either hackers trying to break in and corrupt things, or merely the human users running their experiments, regardless of which one the gods are (or maybe both) they aren't concerned with individual bytes of data

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I imagine that the Chaos gods do have control over what kind of mutation they give to someone. So they can give a specific mutation if it serves their purpose. But that's not usually what they do. Its probably much more fun for them to spin the roulette wheel and give out something random. Either way, the mortal being gifted such a mutation isn't going to have much control over what he gets.

So really its all down to the fickleness of the chaos gods. Which is half of the point I suppose. They might give you something useful to suit both your goals and the goals of the gods, but if the gods goal with you is simple amusement, you might end up with an eyeball in your armpit instead of something actually useful like a 3rd arm or the ability to become invisible.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
But that's not usually what they do. Its probably much more fun for them to spin the roulette wheel and give out something random.


I think the analogy would be "giving out mutations based on their roulette wheel plus number of the first card they grabbed in 52 pick up plus the number of ways they figured out how to skin a cat divided by the current day of the week."

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