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If an independent character with infiltrate joins a unit without the infiltrate special rule, it does not confer it to that unit correct?

Infiltrate only requires one model to have the special rule, as it reads:

"Units that contain at least one model with this special rule..."

Importantly however, the Independent Character rules now disallow an Independent Character with the rule from joining a unit without the rule (and vice versa) during deployment. So while the rule world confer, the only time you could join is after deployment when Infiltrate is useless.

 Mr. Shine wrote:

Importantly however, the Independent Character rules now disallow an Independent Character with the rule from joining a unit without the rule (and vice versa) during deployment. So while the rule world confer, the only time you could join is after deployment when Infiltrate is useless.

For what it's worth, the regular deployment rules never (aside from briefly at the end of 5th edition, after the IC rules were errataed) allowed it either, it's just more explicitly spelt out now.

 insaniak wrote:

 Mr. Shine wrote:

Importantly however, the Independent Character rules now disallow an Independent Character with the rule from joining a unit without the rule (and vice versa) during deployment. So while the rule world confer, the only time you could join is after deployment when Infiltrate is useless.

For what it's worth, the regular deployment rules never (aside from briefly at the end of 5th edition, after the IC rules were errataed) allowed it either, it's just more explicitly spelt out now.

Not entirely true. The unit would have Infiltrate, but since the unit would already be Deployed at this point and Infiltrate does not allow for redeployment, it made it rather useless to do this.

Was there not an FAQ clarifying that it was conferred to the unit?

 gummyofallbears wrote:
Was there not an FAQ clarifying that it was conferred to the unit?

I don't recall if there was or not, but it wouldn't have mattered if there were... The issue wasn't with the rule conferring or not, it was with the timing for ICs to join units.


As ICs join units when they are deployed, by the time you come to deploying Infiltrators, any unit that doesn't have the Infiltrate rule is already either deployed or in reserve. There has never been any way provided in the rules to 'hold back' a unit that doesn't have the Infiltrate rule in order to deploy it with a character that does, other than briefly at the end of 5th edition when they errataed the IC rules to allow ICs to join units prior to deployment rather than during.

And then they promptly wrote that part back out again for 6th edition. And then compounded it by banning Infiltrating ICs from joining units without the rule anyway.

For 3 and a half minutes, Captain Shrike could actually infiltrate with a unit... something he's been technically unable to do for most of the time he's been a part of the game.

 insaniak wrote:
For 3 and a half minutes, Captain Shrike could actually infiltrate with a unit... something he's been technically unable to do for most of the time he's been a part of the game.

Sure he can. He can Infiltrate with Scouts like always.

Both from the rulebook FAQ:

"Page 166 – Independent Character, Independent Characters and Infiltrate Change this sentence to read: ‘An Independent Character without the Infiltrate special rule cannot join a unit of Infiltrators during deployment, and vice versa.’"

"Q: Infiltrate rules state that an Independent Character without Infiltrate cannot join a squad of Infiltrators. Does this mean a squad that is actively Infiltrating or just any unit that has the Infiltrate rule? This matters for things like Outflank (granted freely by the Infiltrate rule) and Infiltrate units that have Deep Strike.
A: An Independent Character without the Infiltrate special rule cannot join a unit of Infiltrators during deployment, whether they are Infiltrating, Deep Striking or Outflanking. They are free to join units as they wish after deployment."

And then this contradiction from the Space Marines FAQ:

"Q: Can I Infiltrate with a Jump Infantry unit (e.g. an Assault Squad) that is joined by Shadow Captain Shrike?
A: Yes."

 Mr. Shine wrote:

And then this contradiction from the Space Marines FAQ:

"Q: Can I Infiltrate with a Jump Infantry unit (e.g. an Assault Squad) that is joined by Shadow Captain Shrike?
A: Yes."

That's not technically a contradiction... just the only way for that situation to actually occur is for the JI unit to also have Infiltrate to begin with. Which makes it a completely redundant clarification, really...

 insaniak wrote:

 Mr. Shine wrote:

And then this contradiction from the Space Marines FAQ:

"Q: Can I Infiltrate with a Jump Infantry unit (e.g. an Assault Squad) that is joined by Shadow Captain Shrike?
A: Yes."

That's not technically a contradiction... just the only way for that situation to actually occur is for the JI unit to also have Infiltrate to begin with. Which makes it a completely redundant clarification, really...

Now if Raven Guard had Jump Scouts...