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**otis booard**

Can I use a sergeant as a cheap HQ?

**troa**

Are they an HQ choice in your codex? Does the formation you're taking require an HQ choice? Within those questions you will find your answer, and better aquaint yourself with the rules.

**Galef**

Assuming your question pertains to the required HQ in a CAD, yes, a Sgt can be that HQ......if it is an HQ choice.
If it is not an HQ (and every Sgt I can currently think of occupies a Troop, Eltie, Fast or Heavy support unit) than, No.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

I believe Scout Sergeant Telion is an HQ choice. So there is one Sgt you can use for your HQ if you are playing Ultramarines or Ultramarines Successors.

**MechaEmperor7000**

To clarify without the snark, It depends on what you're asking.

If you mean "Can I use the Sgt Model to represent an HQ choice (such as a Captain" Then yes, provided that he has the appropriate weapons and wargear modeled on him (such as you can't claim that a sgt in power armor with a bolter is in fact a Terminator Captain with a Chainfist, and so forth). You are also always free to call any of your characters a "Sergeant" provided you use the appropriate rules, as the look and nickname of a model is completely separate from the rules themselves.

If you mean "Can I use the Space Marine Sergeant Profile to count as my HQ choice" then no, as that profile only exists as an upgrade to one of many non-HQ choice units. It cannot be taken on it's own and even if it could be, it's not a listed HQ choice.

As mentoned by VictorVonTzeentch, there is technically one Sgt who is an HQ choice, and that is the special character Scout Sergeant Telion. However he will restrict you to using only the Ultramarine Chapter Tactics for his detachment, so if you don't plan on using ultramarines, you'll have to find another alternative.

**GodDamUser**

Otherwise it is Possible to have a Sgt be your Warlord, on the basis you take a formation that doesn't require a HQ choice and is used as the primary Detachment

**Bookwrack**

otis booard wrote:
Can I use a sergeant as a cheap HQ?

Did you intend to ask, 'can I use a sergeant as a warlord?'

Or, 'Can I use a sergeant model as a cheap HQ?'

**SagesStone**

If you meant warlord instead then yeh it's possible for any character to be your warlord as long as they don't have a restriction saying they cannot.

**KommissarKiln**

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought your Warlord was limited to the character among the HQs you bring with the highest Ld, your choice on a tie. Obviously there are a few exceptions; the IG codex has a Chain of Command special rule that prevents a Lord Commissar or Yarrick from being your Warlord if you also have a CCS. Meanwhile Pask can always be your Warlord as he has no Ld stat to compare against.

Don't let me get away with it if I have just been talking out my rear end, but I do recall being restricted by that Ld rule

**MechaEmperor7000**

That seems to be the case last edition, In 7th I see that the only restriction is that you have to pick a character if one is available (not even independent character, just character).

**otis booard**

Thank you for all your input, so a Sgt in Sgt gear can not be used as an HQ for a CAD, I'll have to go unbound tomorrow. Using Imperial fists devestators with Ravern Guard assault marines against Tau. I'll make use of the Tank Hunter doctrine and shrouded and assault rules respectively to try and destroy the enemy. Will be going for pure Kill Points.

**JNAProductions**

Do you have an exact list?

**MechaEmperor7000**

otis booard wrote:
Thank you for all your input, so a Sgt in Sgt gear can not be used as an HQ for a CAD, I'll have to go unbound tomorrow. Using Imperial fists devestators with Ravern Guard assault marines against Tau. I'll make use of the Tank Hunter doctrine and shrouded and assault rules respectively to try and destroy the enemy. Will be going for pure Kill Points.

If you're willing to make a compromise on your chapter tactics, you can field them as the Skyhammer Annhilation Force Formation, which is a legal standalone army. The only drawback is that your units will all have to be from one chapter, so it'll either be Raven Guard or Imperial Fists.

**Mr. Shine**

otis booard wrote:
Thank you for all your input, so a Sgt in Sgt gear can not be used as an HQ for a CAD, I'll have to go unbound tomorrow. Using Imperial fists devestators with Ravern Guard assault marines against Tau. I'll make use of the Tank Hunter doctrine and shrouded and assault rules respectively to try and destroy the enemy. Will be going for pure Kill Points.

Even if you could use a Sergeant as an HQ choice, you could not use this list in a Combined Arms Detachment. Or any single Detachment.

The Chapter Tactics rules state, "All models in the same Detachment or Formation must be drawn from the same Chapter."

Even Unbound I don't think you could run units with different Chapter Tactics if your Warlord has the Space Marines Faction, because all units with the same Faction as your Warlord are considered to be part of the Primary Detachment for all rules purposes, and you would again be breaking the above from the Chapter Tactics rule.