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Need help in my casual gaming. I face pirmarly the same 4-5 armies all the time and lose over 80 percent of my games with half of those not even coming close to even.

I play against necrons, Flyrants and orks, our necron player use to play marines but quit because he lost all the time to everyone but me. If I play the mission I get gunned down for objective holding and if I play my opponent my firepower never seems to be enough to not ge t gunned down still.

I usually play cads with 3-6 grav tanks (serpents, falcons, fire prisms). Using guardians as my primary troops mixing rangers and dire avengers sometimes. And I like wraiths so I usually take a guard, lord or knight along with a Farseer and warlocks. I've tried every unit I own at least a couple times but stick with the above typically for 1250-2000pt games.

I'd like to play with what I own and be a little more successful, it may just be my odds with dice but I'm going to start with bettering my playstyle.

Models I own...
Eldrad, auserman, Jain zar, Muegan ra.
Farseer, 11 warlocks, 2 spirit seers.
100 guardians, 11 weapons platforms. 12 rangers, 25 dire avengers.
10 scorpions, 11 banshees, 10 fire dragons, 5 wraith blades, 5 cannon wraithgaurd, 5 d-scythe wraithgaurd.
7 wave serpents, 3 vypers.
3 vauls wrath, 6 war walkers, 4 wraithlords, 3 fire prisms, 3 falcons.
4 wraithknights and pewter avatar of khain.

This is a very broad question..... Some general ideas:

1. Concentrate firepower. Shoot 1 unit until it is dead, then move on.
2, Use your mobility to achieve #1. You want to be a bully, the bulk of your forces beating up a smaller amount of the opponent's army.
3. Learn to manipulate reserves to keep from having #2 happen to you.
4. Hide more. Play the mission objectives rather than beating your head against the wall.

Specific to Eldar:

1. Play with the Y'nnari rules a bit. Eldar are delicate, but the Y'nnari require less dancing.
2. Try adding an Ulthwe Strike Force detachment. War Walkers, Bikes, Guardian and Vypers that can precision deep strike from turn 1.

I don't know Eldar too well, but as for basic tactics I think it would help if maybe the next game you play, keep track on paper or something, what you played against, how you moved, what shot at what, not detailed specifics but just a general play by play and this would enable a tactical diagnosis to occur of the actions you took.

Even an LVO winning list can lose easily in the hands of someone missing good tactical decisions.

What sort of lists are you typically running? What is your overall strategy when approaching a game? Does you list have the flexibility to deal with a variety of threats?

Most importantly of all, how do you typically deploy your army to maximize its effectiveness?

List I use as In my op is a cad
I don't have a book for ynarri or mymera
Hq
Farseer
Troops
Guardians in a wave serpent holo feilds and spirit stones and upgraded guns, scatter laser and shuriken cannon.
Or
Dire avengers with exarch and rangers
Elites
If I take rangers and avengers I'm taking wave serpents for my wraithgaurd.
Heavy
I rotate through falcons, prisms walkers and lords
Low
If I'm playing over 1500 pts I add a wraithknight to the list.

As for deployment rangers infiltrate for maximum view with cover.
Serpents on the line so the can reach any point of the board quickly (to get wraithgaurds to a threat or to drop guardians on an objective)
Wraithlord walk the feild near a serpent to keep him from being a lone target but the falcons and prisms are placed for feild view.
Any game with a knight he is front and center being reckless so as to attract attention.

vaurapung wrote:
List I use as In my op is a cad
I don't have a book for ynarri or mymera
Hq
Farseer
Troops
Guardians in a wave serpent holo feilds and spirit stones and upgraded guns, scatter laser and shuriken cannon.
Or
Dire avengers with exarch and rangers
Elites
If I take rangers and avengers I'm taking wave serpents for my wraithgaurd.
Heavy
I rotate through falcons, prisms walkers and lords
Low
If I'm playing over 1500 pts I add a wraithknight to the list.

As for deployment rangers infiltrate for maximum view with cover.
Serpents on the line so the can reach any point of the board quickly (to get wraithgaurds to a threat or to drop guardians on an objective)
Wraithlord walk the feild near a serpent to keep him from being a lone target but the falcons and prisms are placed for feild view.
Any game with a knight he is front and center being reckless so as to attract attention.

What unit is your Farseer joining?

Spirit Stones aren't all that useful on a Wave Serpent. Either drop them or replace those points with a Ghostwalk Matrix.

Are you using a mix of War Walkers, Fire Prisms, and Wraithlords? Falcons aren't that great with the current book, being outclassed as transports by Wave Serpents and beaten for their cost as anti-tank platforms by Fire Prisms.

Don't keep your Wraithlords and Wave Serpents together. Wave Serpents rely on their mobility to be effective, while the Wraithlord is very slow. Have him sit on a backfield objective and snipe with Starcannon/Bright Lance while the Wave Serpents rush around the battlefield.

Are you making sure to deploy your Heavy Support in cover? If they're out in the open, they're easy prey.

As for the heavies, Ill run full squadrons when I take them so cover is difficult to get but the holo feild save me a lot, then by turn 2 no one picks on them because I can't kill anything with them anyways.

For the serpents not so much as slowing down the serpents for the lords but moving them in the same direction so my opponent has to chose which one will be the threat. I just have used spirit stones since sixth bc I didn't like taking a jink save but now I have an invulne so I'll see what I can do with the points.

Usually the Farseer is with the guardians that are center board near my wraiths for guide but lately I have a list with three lords and he stays close to them with a spirit seer or couple warlocks then moves to the guardians if he needs protection.

White tide with 100 guardians on foot would be extremely amazing

hate to say it, but elder tanks while great in 6th and their last codex are not great now. serpant shield nerfed to one use and scatter lasers not twin linking hurt moved them from great units worth taking to ... ok units unfortunately necessary. fireprisms look great on paper but all they need to do is be forced to jink to be useless or crew stunned. falcons are somewhat better as they still have shooting profiles and make a good ride for fire dragons (always take 1 group of fire dragons, 2 if over 1850) zip up, jink if needed with holo fieldsnext turn jump out and melt something important.

wraithguard can function the same as fire dragons but need an overcosted wave serpant for delivery.

over 1250 I usually run 1 wraithknight, depends on your list if you lack anti armor bring heavy d cannons, if needing cc then sword and board is awesome.

in heavy support I like war rwalkers with scatter lasers and star cannons, wraithlords are cool models but not worth the points or even close unless you bring a wraithseer (FW) for fnp and even then mediocre at best.

with elder really a key is getting in and out of LOS. if there is no LOS blocking terrain on the board then your little glass cannons are going to be gone quick. use battle focus, fire and run away where they have to chase you.

scorpians can be awesome with exarch and claw, but again LOS blocking terrain is a must.

Looks like I need to spend more time setting up the tables then. We usually have plenty of ruins and things to get cover saves from but I've never played on a table where I could actually hide a unit.

vaurapung wrote:
Need help in my casual gaming. I face pirmarly the same 4-5 armies all the time and lose over 80 percent of my games with half of those not even coming close to even.

I play against necrons, Flyrants and orks, our necron player use to play marines but quit because he lost all the time to everyone but me. If I play the mission I get gunned down for objective holding and if I play my opponent my firepower never seems to be enough to not ge t gunned down still.

I usually play cads with 3-6 grav tanks (serpents, falcons, fire prisms). Using guardians as my primary troops mixing rangers and dire avengers sometimes. And I like wraiths so I usually take a guard, lord or knight along with a Farseer and warlocks. I've tried every unit I own at least a couple times but stick with the above typically for 1250-2000pt games.

I'd like to play with what I own and be a little more successful, it may just be my odds with dice but I'm going to start with bettering my playstyle.

Models I own...
Eldrad, auserman, Jain zar, Muegan ra.
Farseer, 11 warlocks, 2 spirit seers.
100 guardians, 11 weapons platforms. 12 rangers, 25 dire avengers.
10 scorpions, 11 banshees, 10 fire dragons, 5 wraith blades, 5 cannon wraithgaurd, 5 d-scythe wraithgaurd.
7 wave serpents, 3 vypers.
3 vauls wrath, 6 war walkers, 4 wraithlords, 3 fire prisms, 3 falcons.
4 wraithknights and pewter avatar of khain.

Well you have some trade bait there. I'd sell three of the WraithKnights and the Wraithlords. Probably sell half those Wave Serpants and all the Falcons. Use that money to purchase some things you need.

Number one on the list is Eldar Jetbikes. You need them. Do not pass go. Do not collect $100. Go buy them with the money.

You pretty much dont need anything else to make this collection of stuff good. Nothing else. Just that. You literally own everything else you need. If you wanna be naughty about it get 10 Kabalite Warriors and an Dark Eldar Archon. WraithKNight + D-Scythe Wraithguard using the Webway portal + Scatter laser Jet bikes is a super good core for any Eldar list. I personally love what Striking Scorpions do for me and i love infiltrating them plus they can cut off enemy Scout moves and rock 2+ cover saves. Honestly, Wraithlords are probably

I've only just recently started fighting Eldar so take this with some salt.

What annoys me the most is how fast their jetbikes are and the crazy amount of S6 shots they throw out.

Guadians with a warlock and/or Dplatforms thrown into a transport are very intimidating. Do this 3 or for times and I'm pulling my hair out trying to figure out what to shoot first.

Wraithguard/lord and Knights are scary, I focus fire my whole army to kill them before they can do anything to me.

Eldar Psykers are a pain in the ass. Especially when there are like five or six of them.

Thats what scares and annoys me when I fight eldar.

You need some bikes to provide some mobility. That's all I see that you're really lacking. You've got a lot of big guns, and that is going to terrorize some armies. However, you've got to get them in place first. A couple packs of bikes harassing the first couple of turns will help you get your big guns into place. I think 3 wave serpents would be plenty, as they got rebalanced with the new codex and don't have the ridiculous amount of firepower that they used to have. The bikes will pour out far more damage than the serpents.

Is there anything in eldar that can replace the bikes. The main reason I never got bikes is because they don't match the aesthetic I'm looking for I'm my army but also because everyone unanimously says a good eldar list has to have bikes and if that's true then the whole point system that he made is worthless for creating equal armies.

vaurapung wrote:
Is there anything in eldar that can replace the bikes. The main reason I never got bikes is because they don't match the aesthetic I'm looking for I'm my army but also because everyone unanimously says a good eldar list has to have bikes and if that's true then the whole point system that he made is worthless for creating equal armies.

I appreciate the idealism.

You don't neeeed the bikes but you neeeeed mobility to bring the pain to the enemy and take objectives. Bikes are the obvious purchase. Meanwhile...4 Wraith Knights? Whuuuuuut?

Webway Wraithgruard are really scary though so I'd recommend them like i said. They arent even that common despite the obviousness of the ploy. So if you're trying to avoid the hairy eyeball for the sameness of a force, you could do worse.

War Walkers, which you have are quite good also. I use two units of them in my "normal" Eldar army.

Another fun way to do Eldar is to attack enemy leadership as directly as possible using Hemlocks. I have a force that does that.

As for the wraithknights I bought one then squires another in a bulk lot with my non serpent tanks and elites. Then I bought another bc I really want to use the dream walker squad (still haven't been able to get that game in bc the one person that play knights quit them for necrons bc he lost all the time with marines) and the fourth was acquired when someone never picked there models up when a store I frequented closed. He had over a year to get them out of storage.

Also four wraithknight lose a game hard. Only eight shots a turn and ork warbosses can kill it in one good turn or two mediocre turns. 3+ armour, really gw.

As for warwalkers and vypers, how do I use them, they always get targeted and pummeled before I can use them.

vaurapung wrote:
As for the wraithknights I bought one then squires another in a bulk lot with my non serpent tanks and elites. Then I bought another bc I really want to use the dream walker squad (still haven't been able to get that game in bc the one person that play knights quit them for necrons bc he lost all the time with marines) and the fourth was acquired when someone never picked there models up when a store I frequented closed. He had over a year to get them out of storage.

Also four wraithknight lose a game hard. Only eight shots a turn and ork warbosses can kill it in one good turn or two mediocre turns. 3+ armour, really gw.

As for warwalkers and vypers, how do I use them, they always get targeted and pummeled before I can use them.

a ork warboss is knocking out your wraithknight in 1 turn? also 8 shots? you know you can throw scatter lasers on the shoulders for 8 str 6 shots 4 each at different targets if wanted. additionally sword and board wraithknight brings the D and a 5++.

if the warboss has a claw and is going last. he is also nly toughness 5 so unless he is on a bike your str 10 ap2 normal attacks are one shotting him without a save. make sure your opponent is not trying to use the old cybork rules as that is a 5++ vs now it is 6+ fnp and he does not get it against double str. your WK should be hitting on 4's with 4 attacks, 2 hits, wounding on 2's. that is 1.83 dead warbosses before they swing. (this is assuming he got the charge off which gien that you are a jump MC with long range weapons should not happen.

if the warboss gets the charge he has 5 attacks hitting on 3's so 3.3 hits wounding on 2s so 2.8 wounds you have a 5+ fnp so 1.87 wounds to a wraithknight if he gets the charge. if he has nobz or mega nobz with him they will be hitting on 4's and wounding on 4's w/ 4 attacks on the charge so should average only 1 wound each or .66 after your fnp

Even with no bikes you can play with several vehicles, 1-2 knights, scorpions, w.lords, walkers, vypers, platforms, rangers, reapers and s.hawks.

I'd trade a couple of lords, knights, half the guardians and maybe 1-2 serpents anyway. Even without the bikes eldar can be quite good.

Maybe adding a flyer, s.hawks and dark reapers.

My two encounters with the warbosses, he was bubble wrapped with nobs and a painboy, so my atks and stomps simply kill nobs while he get four rounds of assaults on me over two turns. I'm scared of assaulting things with my wraithknight because he seems to die from things like terminators with hammers, and orks with powerfist.

But more importantly I set my walkers up with missle launchers because I usually take them as a multiple unit, something that I know can handle infantry, tanks or flyers. It costly but in theroy should make a good multi tool if they didn't die so easy. Now I think they die when I have used them because of bad deployments. I get stuck with them in the wrong place and then by turn three they don't get to make any kill but my opponent already has sights on them.

Orks need 500-600 points of stuff to kill a wraitknight in close combat. Some other close combat oriented units with strong invulns can be quite effective against the knight without being points sinks, like wulfen or thunderwolves.