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So I'm reading through the HH: Inferno book, looking at te Thousand Sons rules, and I can't help but feel a 'Grey Knights' vibe coming from this army. So here's what I'm getting from the book.

- Between 18,000 - 30,000 Thousand Sons were not present during the Burning of Prospero.
- Magnus sent a portion of his fleet away on a secret mission, so they would not be present when the Space Wolves come.
- Magnus was hell bent on redeeming his legion and wanted to find a way to make up for what he did.
- Several types of squads use 'Brotherhood of Psykers' rules (like the Grey Knights) instead of having a singular Psyker leading the squad (as per 40K TS)
- All IC units in both armies can be/are Psykers
- Both armies hand out Force Weapons like candy
- Aether-Fire Cannons and Asphyx Shells sound a lot like an early version of Psy-Cannons and Psilenser weapons
- Both Armies have abilities that help resist being hit by Psychic Powers
- Both armies have Psychic Dreadnoughts
- Khenetai Occult Blade Cabal reminds me of GK squads wielding dual Force Falchons


So I'm just pondering: Is it possible that members of the thousand Sons that were sent away, were far enough away to not be affected by the Rubric, and found their way back to the Sol system, to help turn the Knights Errant into the Grey Knights?

I think that's actually the history of the blood ravens, they were the 1k sons sent away by Magnus. Here is a link discussing it. The origins of the grey knights and who Janus was before becoming the first grand master are some of the more frequent questions discussed in the background boards. I'm in the Omegon camp personally, but there are lots of hints that go other ways.

*edit* also since the grey knights have novel traits that don't show up in other chapters, it's possible that their gene-seed originates in one of the two legions that were exterminated. We know less about them than we do just about any other facet of space marine lore, the emperor was a pragmatist, so I doubt after he killed the primarchs he got rid of their gene-seed, it's impossible to make more.

They just had a short story that spoiled who Janus was so yet gray knights are in part from the TS in training though it may not be in gene seed.
Blood ravens are also most likely from them (they even have the spawn problem) though one Black library worker hates the idea even its in some books so heavy

...I remember back when it was implied that they were from the Emperor's geneseed.

Never had a member turn traitor.
They're totally brainwashed Thousand Sons.

Wait, so how did mortarion know who Janus was then, how did Janus know the emperor and the secret name that he gave to mortarion? The emperor met all eight, and he was ok with Malcador had done? How was Janus not powerful enough to hold the webway closed when he is basically a primarch? I suppose they are not the worst plot holes the horus heresy has created but man is that a bizarre choice.

That or explained by one of the founders whom we only know one was a thousand son who imparted there skill in training.

Maybe not fully but they draw from the thousand sons training and organisation as one was there at start.

What short story tells us who Janus is?

Also it's very much possible some of the original GK were TS and since it's elite psyker marine force there were bound to be similiarities.

The Last Son of Prospero

http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/the-last-son-of-prospero-ebook.html

OK, someone pm it to me, who was Janus?

 redleger wrote:
OK, someone pm it to me, who was Janus?

The first Supreme Grand Master of the Grey Knights.

A Loyalist Death Guard, a Luna Wolf and Malcador the Sigilite helped form the Grey Knights. Garro, Loken, Iacton? and a few others became the first founding members.

Loyalist 1k sons formed the Blood Ravens, giving us true GLOREH in the form of Captains Gabriel Angelos and Indrick Boreale. The red armour, the psychic potential, the magpie-esque obsession with learning and knowledge, plus so many allusions, implications and almost outright statements (plus the HH series confirmed but not explicitly) that Blood Ravens are descended from Magnus and his legion.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 redleger wrote:
OK, someone pm it to me, who was Janus?

The first Supreme Grand Master of the Grey Knights.

And who was that, specifically?

Spoiler it here in...spoiler tags, please!

Well the link sorta spoils it.

It actually...doesn't?

And if they've moved away from Omegon...that's annoying too.

 Alpharius wrote:
It actually...doesn't?

And if they've moved away from Omegon...that's annoying too.

Well Omegon did recently receive a promotion.

 SpinCycleDreadnought wrote:

Loyalist 1k sons formed the Blood Ravens, giving us true GLOREH in the form of Captains Gabriel Angelos and Indrick Boreale. The red armour, the psychic potential, the magpie-esque obsession with learning and knowledge, plus so many allusions, implications and almost outright statements (plus the HH series confirmed but not explicitly) that Blood Ravens are descended from Magnus and his legion.

This makes sense, however, my understanding is that both GW and Relic have stated its not true.

Iacton did not found anything - Horus gutted him aboard the Vengeful Spirit.

Several of Malcador's Knight's Errant seem to be contenders for being the original Grand Masters of the Grey Knights (the rank and file Grey Knights being made from new Gene Seed).

I am hoping that Sevatar ends up going loyalist following his disappearance and becomes a Grand Master(he his a psyker, afterall).

my gut feeling is the knights errant are going to be differant from the grey knights. the Knight errants final fate might be as trainers for the GKs but beyond that...

BomBomHotdog wrote:

 SpinCycleDreadnought wrote:

Loyalist 1k sons formed the Blood Ravens, giving us true GLOREH in the form of Captains Gabriel Angelos and Indrick Boreale. The red armour, the psychic potential, the magpie-esque obsession with learning and knowledge, plus so many allusions, implications and almost outright statements (plus the HH series confirmed but not explicitly) that Blood Ravens are descended from Magnus and his legion.

This makes sense, however, my understanding is that both GW and Relic have stated its not true.

One (ex?) BL editor claims it's not true (yet it was hinted at in a white dwarf last year) but it seems to be a bit of an inside fight as if they are or are not. Relic makes games not the fluff for 40k and you can't really go by them. I hope they say someday if they are or are not but I think they like it foggy

I suspect Ianius is a red herring, it makes too little sense and honestly I hate the idea of, "hey his names sounds like Janus guys!!11!" More likely he is a Blood Raven than anything...

Oldmike wrote:

BomBomHotdog wrote:

 SpinCycleDreadnought wrote:

Loyalist 1k sons formed the Blood Ravens, giving us true GLOREH in the form of Captains Gabriel Angelos and Indrick Boreale. The red armour, the psychic potential, the magpie-esque obsession with learning and knowledge, plus so many allusions, implications and almost outright statements (plus the HH series confirmed but not explicitly) that Blood Ravens are descended from Magnus and his legion.

This makes sense, however, my understanding is that both GW and Relic have stated its not true.

One (ex?) BL editor claims it's not true (yet it was hinted at in a white dwarf last year) but it seems to be a bit of an inside fight as if they are or are not. Relic makes games not the fluff for 40k and you can't really go by them. I hope they say someday if they are or are not but I think they like it foggy

It's never come out either way, the Blood Ravens do not have a confirmed founding chapter. Anyone who says otherwise is, at least for now, full of it and incorrect. Perhaps DoW3 will shed light, but I highly doubt it.

 Quickjager wrote:
I suspect Ianius is a red herring, it makes too little sense and honestly I hate the idea of, "hey his names sounds like Janus guys!!11!" More likely he is a Blood Raven than anything...

Ianius and Janus are different spellings for the same name. Not a red herring any more than Lewis and Luis, or Steven and Stephen.

SJ

I was at least under the impression that the grey knights were created early enough to draw from traitor legions and very well could include the afore mentioned TS that went away from prospero. To at least address the question posed in the OP; I would say there is a high probability that they did, along with other marines from traitor legions. I don't think it's out of the question that marines in each traitor legion wouldn't betray the emperor, heck I'm pretty sure there was much infighting among the traitor legions. Big key here is that those who either escaped or survived would still want to serve the emperor. What better way than to wipe the identity/heraldry and dawn something new? Same goes for Deathwatch marines who wear no heraldry [at least in principle].

Grey knights were founded during the last days of the heresy, their gene seed likely predates that, but their formation happens just before the emperor goes to fight Horus. The only remaining argument is where their geneseed comes from because they exhibit enough differences to be their own legion.

As lame and incongruent as the Ianius thing is (ha you thought he was a baller in the HH, but it turns out he was a schmoe that Malcadore accidentally made awesome by trying to squeeze 10 pounds of crazy into a five-pound bag), it appears to be cannon. Thus all of the awesome mystery, and years of hints, ruined by one lame short story.

 Grimgold wrote:
Grey knights were founded during the last days of the heresy, their gene seed likely predates that, but their formation happens just before the emperor goes to fight Horus. The only remaining argument is where their geneseed comes from because they exhibit enough differences to be their own legion.

Grey Knights are confirmed to have come from geneseed stocks developed by the Emperor independent of any of the existing legions. Meaning the geneseed was directly developed from the Emperor's own genetic template. Instead of being developed from a Primarch's template which was in turn developed from the Emperor. He essentially skipped the Primarch step in making their geneseed.

The Grey Knights have no genetic descent from other space marines.


Now the original members of the chapter were drawn from existing legions, as they needed Marines to train the new recruits. But these individuals did not pass on a genetic legacy into the Grey Knight chapter.

It is confirmed so far that Grey Knights use the Emperor's genetic profile. But that very well could be propaganda told to the recruits. The truth could still be different. I wouldn't put it past BL to up and change the story on us.