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Hi guys, I just had a thought regarding the pylon star that necrons can run. The idea is to add a couple of IC's to a unit of pylons, deep strike them up the board and start doing the brutal shooting that the pylons are good for. You then have the IC's as CC defense. The pylons work as artillery, however, they do not have a crew. To get around this they have the Canoptek Artillery rule which states :



So if you attach IC's, who don't have the rule, do the IC stay locked in combat and the artillery does not (thereby breaking the unit up, which I thought can only happen in the movement phase)? Or does the entire attacking unit have to consolidate away? Or does everyone stay locked and the Canoptek Artillery rule get overruled.

What if some of the attackers are in b2b with the pylon, does it force the entire attacking unit to consolidate or only the models in b2b with the pylons and the rest of the unit stays locked with the IC?

Is the IC in squad with the arty?

if so then he doesn't get locked in combat and benefits from this rule

You cannot use it to keep units locked in combat and your arty safe

Yea, the IC's (multiple) are attached to the unit per normal IC rules. I just wasn't sure if the rule applied to them as they do not have the rule, and it explicitly states in the BRB that unit special rules do not apply to IC's that do not have those rules and vice versa, which led to my confusion. Also its beneficial to not have the artillery locked in combat as they cannot shoot if locked, so its beneficial to me for the rule to force the consolidation.


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So the FAQ states unit rules do not confer to the IC's, but that does not mean the unit loses the rule, just that it is not applied to the IC's?

so the artillery is not locked in combat next turn but the IC's are?

 Klowny wrote:


so the artillery is not locked in combat next turn but the IC's are?

That's the rub. So long as a single IC in the unit is locked in combat, the whole unit is locked in combat. You don't have permission to break up a unit in combat.

 Klowny wrote:
Yea, the IC's (multiple) are attached to the unit per normal IC rules. I just wasn't sure if the rule applied to them as they do not have the rule, and it explicitly states in the BRB that unit special rules do not apply to IC's that do not have those rules and vice versa, which led to my confusion. Also its beneficial to not have the artillery locked in combat as they cannot shoot if locked, so its beneficial to me for the rule to force the consolidation.


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So the FAQ states unit rules do not confer to the IC's, but that does not mean the unit loses the rule, just that it is not applied to the IC's?

so the artillery is not locked in combat next turn but the IC's are?

Yeah, some of those FAQ answers don't work properly. If you took it literally, then Stubborn wouldn't work at all.

In this case, you can't have a unit where some models are locked in combat and other models not locked in combat. The BRB only gives it a case of a binary condition. Much like pregnancy, the unit is either locked in combat or not, there are no part ways provided for this condition.

Yea, thats the way I was looking at it, it just is such a clunky rule when you attach IC's to it.

Thanks guys!