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Please, for the love of all that is holy tell me this will not be Prodos or Unicast (or whatever they call their base required bullshite).

So excited and so nervous...

~Eric

 modiphius wrote:

Taarnak wrote:Please, for the love of all that is holy tell me this will not be Prodos or Unicast (or whatever they call their base required bullshite).

So excited and so nervous...

~Eric

We're doing resin production in the UK

Thanks for the quick answer. I look forward to seeing more and eventually giving you more money than my wife will be happy about.

~Eric

 Pacific wrote:
Confirmation from earlier in the thread that it's not being done by Prodos:

 modiphius wrote:

Taarnak wrote:Please, for the love of all that is holy tell me this will not be Prodos or Unicast (or whatever they call their base required bullshite).

So excited and so nervous...

~Eric

We're doing resin production in the UK

That's not explicit denial of all involvement, come to think of it.

I certainly don't want to trash talk Modiphius or this game. I just don't want to give Prodos any money, even indirectly.

I will admit now though, this is the one project I can think of that will get me to do so.

~Eric

 modiphius wrote:

Geifer wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
I think it's a difficult balancing act. Pack the box full of plastic terrain, the price starts to multiply, and I'm sure most purchasers look at the miniatures (and the quality and quantity thereof) before terrain. Resin is an absolute no-go as far as a starter set is concerned, any kind of quality would push up the price very high.

Is there actually going to be such an all inclusive starter set (regardless if it's one or two player oriented)? Because I wouldn't mind if there was.

Man, pre-orders can't go online soon enough. The wait is killing me.

Yes there will be a 2 player starter set with pre-assembled minis (in two colours of plastic) likely in a hardened PVC - BUT I'll stress that you'll already be able to get those same minis in high quality resin so this box set is aimed at people who aren't necessarily wargamers, who don't mind the difference, and who want to be able to play out of the box.

I'm certain you have it covered, but be careful of shrinkage in PVC vs resin or metal. Don't want to end up with the same figure being two different sizes. Also, nobody wants a repeat of Sedition Wars Wave 2... /shudder

Really can't wait to get my hands on this stuff.

~Eric

 Yodhrin wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Of all the things that are done in the name of 'speeding things up', I don't think I've ever come across the 'tape measure' as being a time sink.

I don't think anyone is saying tape measures are a time sink, rather that once you get used to the color coded range sticks it becomes faster to pick up on the visual cues of the sticks rather than measuring with a traditional tape ruler.

See to me, that reeks of the same arguments used in favour of non-qwerty keyboard layouts. Yes, after you learn it and acclimate to it it can be faster, until you go back to using a qwerty board at work, or a friend's, or a cafe, and your brain immediately reverts to the mode of thought you've spent years and decades building up neural pathways for and you lose that extra efficiency when you try going back to non-qwerty.

A lot of us have been playing wargames for years and decades using basic, easy, commonplace distance measurements and a simple tape measure(or, in our more exotic moments, a MK1 12" Whippy Stick), and will be continuing to do so on the regular even after picking up F:WW - I guarantee that any efficiency benefit you'll get from "learning" the game's own system will vanish after you go and play a couple of other, normal games.

Standards are standards for a reason.

You are trying awfully hard to be annoyed by this incredibly minor thing.

Personally, I like what I've heard so far and will reserve final judgement until I see it in action.

Looking forward to bearing more about the rules and seeing some physical models...

~Eric

 Pacific wrote:

Piper looks great too. Waiting now for the comment about 'tactical detritus' on the base!

I'm your Huckleberry.

It is just lazy design to put tactical detritus on figures. This particular figure looks like she tripped on hers... It also makes custom basing more of a chore. Especially if you want to use clear bases like I do.

Speaking of figures: Have we seen any yet? I would like to see a print or a cast or something. Hopefully soon.

~Eric

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
I disagree that Piper looks like she is tripping on the Assaultron head. The ball of her foot is perched on top of the head suggesting to me that she is using the head as a way to propel her movement forward. If she were tripping her toes would be catching on the head.

That's true but I can also see how the head could move under her foot causing her to fall foward. It's a slightly awkward pose and now is the time to mention it.

Hm. That isn't something I considered, but I also don't know if a military-grade combat robot's head would be light enough to roll under the weight of someone as small and light as Piper. I suppose a brick moved near the base of the head to act as a brace would help destroy the illusion of the head rolling but it would probably obscure some of the head's details as well.

I think the inclusion of the head is a neat design aspect and would hate to see it go, but then the head doesn't look unstable to me so I don't see the awkward pose, personally.

It's not her foot on the head that makes it look like she's tripping, it's everything else from the waist down. Her right leg is turned in at a pretty extreme angle and it looks like her knee is folding under her. In fact, that leg almost looks dislocated at the hip too.

Her left leg is doing something other than running, but I'm not entirely certain what. I can tell you that if she were in motion in that pose, she's about to perform a surprise split...

Her torso and arms are doing something entirely different from either of her legs. I think that is part of what I find so jarring, the upper and lower halves of her body are in separate, disjointed motion.

I'm no soldier (and I know she's not either), but I have had some training in how to move and shoot. You avoid obstacles, you don't step on them. That is also part of my issue.

If you want detritus, make it a part of the base, not the figure. Scenic bases. An opportunity for more sales, and useful for many figures; not just the one.

~Eric

Edit:
I should add that so far she is the only sculpt that I personally see any issues with. The sculptors are doing great work overall. Piper needs a redo though.

And Modiphius: Show some prints or casts already! (I know you might not be able to yet, but I really want to see them. Lol.)

What I can see of the figures looks good. Looking forward to seeing some better pictures though.

 Manchu wrote:
Hmm that is a tough one, especially without knowing anything about how the PVC will look.

As far as I can tell we don't really know how the resins look either... I've yet to see a decent picture of a figure.

All true. I guess what I meant was that the Resin quality is still an unknown quantity and so making any kind of guess about PVC is all but impossible.

Lesser quality than the resins for sure, but as of yet we really don't know what that means.

Digital "scale" shot is pretty useless. There are models. Show them for feths sake. And make a scale shot with them. Bonus.

Pre-orders tomorrow and we still haven't seen good pics of actual models.

And those ghouls are atrocious. Accurate to the game somewhat, but bad nonetheless. I will be skipping those for sure.

 Manchu wrote:

 Taarnak wrote:
Pre-orders tomorrow and we still haven't seen good pics of actual models.

Preorders for the Star Trek minis have come and gone with nary a single pic of an actual miniature.

It's a headscratcher.

Indeed. And it certainly doesn't inspire confidence...

A bit disappointing for sure.

I will probably get the Supermutant set, but I really wanted the all in. Just too much. Especially since we haven't seen actual figures yet.

Shame too since Fallout is one of my all time favorites and I've wanted a tabletop game of it for a long while.