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So seeing as Guilliman is up and running about now and the Daemon Primarchs are finally getting about to doing stuff, it seems 40k is entering a time where Primarch battles could be going on, so we might actually get to see the return of a few more Primarchs. Reall

-Horus, Ferrus Manus, Rogal Dorn, Sanguinius, Curze are all dead.

-Vulkan is, if I'm not wrong, interred in the last of his 'sacred' artefacts, waiting to be awoken.

-Magnus, Fulgrim, Lorgar, Perturabo, Mortarion and Angron are all Daemon Princes who are disappointingly inactive, but it seems they might start doing stuff.

-The Lion's sleeping in stasis, same as Guilliman was.

-Omegon (or whatever, I'm not sure), Khan, Russ and Corvus, however, are all unknown at the moment.

So, what's the story with the few missing Primarchs? Realistically, there's room for pretty much all of them but five to come back to the stage, and they even have wiggle room with Curze and Dorn, who were never 100% confirmed dead. Where's Corvus, Russ and Khan, and what the hell are they doing? Are we going to start seeing the Primarchs return, or is Gulliman all we're getting? Is that even something you'd like to see, or would you rather stay away from the big characters?

Thought Dorn was one of those where they left it irritatingly vague. Like only his hand was found, and then there is no indication beyond that leaving it as "He could be". Unless I missed something....

I still believe he is the Centurion tasked to guard the Emperor himself and he will reveal himself in time, then proceed to build the galaxies greatest Tree house that no man(or xenos, or demon, or whatever) could hope to conquer.

Dorn's still alive, Vulkan may or may not be dead, and Alpharius got chopped into gibs by Dorn.

Russ visited the Squat Homeworlds, won a drinking competition (spoilers: the prize was a lifetimes supply of beer) and became king of the dwarfs.

Unless they are 100% dead on the fluff well see them show up in 40k

All Primarchs can come back, in one form or another, except for Horus.

This is a repost of something I posted on 4chan back in February:

My justification for all Primarchs except Horus coming back

Here we go:
Lion: In statis, can be brought back without much effort storywise

Fulgrim: Demon Primarch

Perturabo: Demon Primarch

Jaghatai Khan: Never confirmed dead

Leman Russ: in the Warp, will probably come back with a terrible wulfen style model for the "Wolf days" or whatever they call the end times of the wolves.

Dorn: Only found his hand, return of the yellow Cyborg, and his rivalry with Rowboat Girlyman incoming

Curze: Hints of his chaos taint in the Soul Hunter trilogy, (yes that was me spamming that on 4chan), he could return as a Demon Primarch. He wouldn't be the first to die, and then come back as a demon prince (looking at you Grulgor)

Sanguinius: return of his personality through the Sanguinor (his body is well destroyed)

Ferrus: Return of the "Headless Horseman" on a bike, yes please. There is alot of ambiguity around his head in the HH series, and there was a bunch of cloning going on by Fulgrim.

Angron: Demon Primarch

Girlyman: Already back

Mortarion: Demon Primarch

Horus: Replaced by Demon Abadon maybe

Lorgar: Demon Prince well overdue to return

Vulkin: never confirmed dead

Corax: Never confirmed dead

Alparius/Omegon: Please don't make me meme

Only Horus is 100%, unambiguously dead, as his soul itself was destroyed.

Ferrus, Curze, Alpharius and Omegon, and Sanguinius were all reported KIA, so are almost certainly dead, though there are caveats. There's rumours Ferrus' head still lives, and is held by the Machinarium. The tape cut before Curze was seen to be killed, so the kill was never 100% confirmed. Alpharius was killed by Dorn and Omegon by Guilliman, but there's a small chance both were actually decoys. Sanguinius was killed by Horus, but there's a chance the Sanguinor is his reincarnation as a kind of living saint.

Dorn was reported dead, but the body was never found - just a hand. Would be classed in the category above, but Vulkan made a cryptic comment in 32k that implied he was still alive.

Russ, Corax and Khan, are simply MIA. It's been a long time, but there's no confirmation Primarchs can die of old age, and as all were lost in the Warp, or Webway, not much time may have passed for them.

The Lion is alive. Just in some form of stasis. Vulkan was alive in 32k, and as a perpetual, arguably must still be alive in some form, barring some unknown lore. Technially MIA, just with more evidence of life than those above,

Guilliman, Perturabo, Logar, Magnus, Angron, Fulgrim and Mortarian are all confirmed alive.

Hierophant wrote:
The tape cut before Curze was seen to be killed, so the kill was never 100% confirmed

If you read the Soul Hunter omnibus, you see he is 100% confirmed killed. Head seen in hands of imperial assassin. Doesn't mean he soul wasn't snapped up by one of the chaos gods though.... As I said above, there are many cases of marines dying and returning as Demon Princes, AKA Grulgor in the HH series.

why do people think there's some sort of ambiguity about Ferras Manus returning? HE HAD HIS HEAD CUT OFF! He's dead Jim!

BrianDavion wrote:
why do people think there's some sort of ambiguity about Ferras Manus returning? HE HAD HIS HEAD CUT OFF! He's dead Jim!

Because some of us have read the fluff. There has been Ferrus clones made by Fulgrim, and there was alot of ambiguity about his head in the HH series.

I would love to see him return looking like Jack from Tekken, Primarch head, metal body. Pretty much a dreadnought.


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For the record I do think he is dead, but the point is there is ambiguity there, and there is potential to bring him back. Bringing him back will make GW money, and there is room to do it, so why wouldn't they eventually?


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Especially because he is the head of the Cyborg space marines, the Iron Hands (mind the head pun)

Russ isn't going to come back until he finds Jonson, funny thing is Ragnar Blackmane got closer during Warzone Fenris/Magnus' Revenge than Russ has in the last ten thousand years.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Russ isn't going to come back until he finds Jonson, funny thing is Ragnar Blackmane got closer during Warzone Fenris/Magnus' Revenge than Russ has in the last ten thousand years.

do we have a confirm that he's off looking for the Lion?

Vulkan - perpetual, he is alive guaranteed.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Vulkan - perpetual, he is alive guaranteed.

Vulkan's status is questionable considering he got blown up by a huge psychic explosion during the war against the Beast and didn't pop back.

I doubt we'll see that many plastic primarchs. All four of the daemon ones, as they align with daemon armies and so will sell. Plastic Perturabo and Lorgar though, would struggle to pay off their tooling.

The big 4 daemon primarchs definitely.

For Loyalists, Russ and the Lion are givens. They should probably try to find a way to add a Blood Angels character in somehow and that will be the big 4 for the Imperium.

I'm kinda hoping they go with the Kahn for a mounted character.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
The big 4 daemon primarchs definitely.

For Loyalists, Russ and the Lion are givens. They should probably try to find a way to add a Blood Angels character in somehow and that will be the big 4 for the Imperium.

I'm kinda hoping they go with the Kahn for a mounted character.

Sang is solidly confirmed KIA. Same with Ferrus and Horus, Kurze.

They already have the sanginor, Dante, the Liberian who survived the black rage and got boosted.
They have a chapter master, some support.
Maybe a powerful captain or sang preist? or such but they already have Liberian covered.

 JamesY wrote:
I doubt we'll see that many plastic primarchs. All four of the daemon ones, as they align with daemon armies and so will sell. Plastic Perturabo and Lorgar though, would struggle to pay off their tooling.

Given enough time, I think you will find they will all have models. They make money, so why wouldn't they?

 jhe90 wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
The big 4 daemon primarchs definitely.

For Loyalists, Russ and the Lion are givens. They should probably try to find a way to add a Blood Angels character in somehow and that will be the big 4 for the Imperium.

I'm kinda hoping they go with the Kahn for a mounted character.

Sang is solidly confirmed KIA. Same with Ferrus and Horus, Kurze.

They already have the sanginor, Dante, the Liberian who survived the black rage and got boosted.
They have a chapter master, some support.
Maybe a powerful captain or sang preist? or such but they already have Liberian covered.

well we can't be sure what the sanguinor is, I could see them using that as a avenue to return Sanguinis.. not saying it's nesscarily a good idea, but I could see it happening

 Rippy wrote:

Hierophant wrote:
The tape cut before Curze was seen to be killed, so the kill was never 100% confirmed

If you read the Soul Hunter omnibus, you see he is 100% confirmed killed. Head seen in hands of imperial assassin. Doesn't mean he soul wasn't snapped up by one of the chaos gods though.... As I said above, there are many cases of marines dying and returning as Demon Princes, AKA Grulgor in the HH series.

Curze hated Chaos, though. I don't see him siding with his brothers. On the other hand, it'd be cool to see the Sons of Malice come back with a daemon Primarch at their head.

In the book vulcan lives or what ever didnt vulcan lose his perpetuals when the guy smashed the orb in his face?

BrianDavion wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Russ isn't going to come back until he finds Jonson, funny thing is Ragnar Blackmane got closer during Warzone Fenris/Magnus' Revenge than Russ has in the last ten thousand years.

do we have a confirm that he's off looking for the Lion?

Depends on what books you've read. Fluff wise he's a busy guy.
He's hunting the Lion.
He's also hunting for all the missing Primarchs.
He's also hunting for some "Tree of Life" to bring the fruit back and restore the Emprah...how he plans on feeding a skeleton is anybody's guess.
A lot of these scources 'know' why he left but nobody knows where he went.
The other consistent piece is that he'll show up at the last second.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Russ isn't going to come back until he finds Jonson, funny thing is Ragnar Blackmane got closer during Warzone Fenris/Magnus' Revenge than Russ has in the last ten thousand years.

do we have a confirm that he's off looking for the Lion?

Depends on what books you've read. Fluff wise he's a busy guy.
He's hunting the Lion.
He's also hunting for all the missing Primarchs.
He's also hunting for some "Tree of Life" to bring the fruit back and restore the Emprah...how he plans on feeding a skeleton is anybody's guess.
A lot of these scources 'know' why he left but nobody knows where he went.
The other consistent piece is that he'll show up at the last second.

yeah, I was thinking that, to the best of my knowledge he took off with the 13th company but didn't actually tell anyone why he was leaving. apparently it's a wound that still hurts for Bjorn to this day

That was another one, he's searching for the 13th company - but they're back, big furry bastards.
Bjorn is cut that he doesn't know why he was the only one of Russ' personal Wolf Guard left behind.

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

Hierophant wrote:
The tape cut before Curze was seen to be killed, so the kill was never 100% confirmed

If you read the Soul Hunter omnibus, you see he is 100% confirmed killed. Head seen in hands of imperial assassin. Doesn't mean he soul wasn't snapped up by one of the chaos gods though.... As I said above, there are many cases of marines dying and returning as Demon Princes, AKA Grulgor in the HH series.

Curze hated Chaos, though. I don't see him siding with his brothers. On the other hand, it'd be cool to see the Sons of Malice come back with a daemon Primarch at their head.

You are implying he had a choice what happened to his soul after throwing his lot in with Chaos.
A lil' bit of soul torment might have swayed him over.

 Rippy wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

Hierophant wrote:
The tape cut before Curze was seen to be killed, so the kill was never 100% confirmed

If you read the Soul Hunter omnibus, you see he is 100% confirmed killed. Head seen in hands of imperial assassin. Doesn't mean he soul wasn't snapped up by one of the chaos gods though.... As I said above, there are many cases of marines dying and returning as Demon Princes, AKA Grulgor in the HH series.

Curze hated Chaos, though. I don't see him siding with his brothers. On the other hand, it'd be cool to see the Sons of Malice come back with a daemon Primarch at their head.

You are implying he had a choice what happened to his soul after throwing his lot in with Chaos.
A lil' bit of soul torment might have swayed him over.

Curze also wasn't the only one to hate Chaos, either. Magnus wasn't really its biggest fan... but necessity makes the strangest of bedfellows.

While Curze isn't shown to have reached that level (and he probably doesn't feel protective enough of his legion to fall for them as Magnus does), I could see him being vulnerable to the machinations of a sufficiently motivated multiversal entity.

 Unusual Suspect wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

Hierophant wrote:
The tape cut before Curze was seen to be killed, so the kill was never 100% confirmed

If you read the Soul Hunter omnibus, you see he is 100% confirmed killed. Head seen in hands of imperial assassin. Doesn't mean he soul wasn't snapped up by one of the chaos gods though.... As I said above, there are many cases of marines dying and returning as Demon Princes, AKA Grulgor in the HH series.

Curze hated Chaos, though. I don't see him siding with his brothers. On the other hand, it'd be cool to see the Sons of Malice come back with a daemon Primarch at their head.

You are implying he had a choice what happened to his soul after throwing his lot in with Chaos.
A lil' bit of soul torment might have swayed him over.

Curze also wasn't the only one to hate Chaos, either. Magnus wasn't really its biggest fan... but necessity makes the strangest of bedfellows.

While Curze isn't shown to have reached that level (and he probably doesn't feel protective enough of his legion to fall for them as Magnus does), I could see him being vulnerable to the machinations of a sufficiently motivated multiversal entity.

I disagree.

Curze made a conscious choice to die rather than submit to either the Emperor or the Chaos gods his brothers fell to. There is power in that, even in 40k. There are lesser entities, like Malice, that could appeal to Curze, but he's as likely to end up serving the Star Child as the Big Four. Curze was attached to pretty much nothing at his death. There is nothing that the Chaos gods could offer him. The only thing he wanted was oblivion, and any offer that isn't such (or revenge on everything that forced him down a path) would result in Curze telling them to go feth themselves.

It's kind of a shame that no one ever realized that what Curze needed was a puppy. Or a mortal friend. Same thing, I suppose.

I would not like to be a puppy being house trained by Curze.

nareik wrote:I would not like to be a puppy being house trained by Curze.

Um.. Kay?

EmpNortonII wrote:

 Unusual Suspect wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

Hierophant wrote:
The tape cut before Curze was seen to be killed, so the kill was never 100% confirmed

If you read the Soul Hunter omnibus, you see he is 100% confirmed killed. Head seen in hands of imperial assassin. Doesn't mean he soul wasn't snapped up by one of the chaos gods though.... As I said above, there are many cases of marines dying and returning as Demon Princes, AKA Grulgor in the HH series.

Curze hated Chaos, though. I don't see him siding with his brothers. On the other hand, it'd be cool to see the Sons of Malice come back with a daemon Primarch at their head.

You are implying he had a choice what happened to his soul after throwing his lot in with Chaos.
A lil' bit of soul torment might have swayed him over.

Curze also wasn't the only one to hate Chaos, either. Magnus wasn't really its biggest fan... but necessity makes the strangest of bedfellows.

While Curze isn't shown to have reached that level (and he probably doesn't feel protective enough of his legion to fall for them as Magnus does), I could see him being vulnerable to the machinations of a sufficiently motivated multiversal entity.

I disagree.

Curze made a conscious choice to die rather than submit to either the Emperor or the Chaos gods his brothers fell to. There is power in that, even in 40k. There are lesser entities, like Malice, that could appeal to Curze, but he's as likely to end up serving the Star Child as the Big Four. Curze was attached to pretty much nothing at his death. There is nothing that the Chaos gods could offer him. The only thing he wanted was oblivion, and any offer that isn't such (or revenge on everything that forced him down a path) would result in Curze telling them to go feth themselves.

It's kind of a shame that no one ever realized that what Curze needed was a puppy. Or a mortal friend. Same thing, I suppose.

You can disagree all you want, but even the biggest and mightiest Primarch (Horus) was swayed by Chaos. Curze's decision to be killed was made by a lessor version of himself, he was bat gak crazy by the end.

I am sure Khorne could show him an appealing future, punishing those who he perceived as having wronged him etc. They would have twisted him up, and spat him back out.

I'm of the opinion Cruze was a puppet of Tzeetch. who showed him juust eneugh to make him go batty and dance to Tzeetch's tune. Cruze may have felt he was making his own choices, but he was VERY MUCH a slave to his visions.