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I've played a couple test games of 8th and I'm wondering whether there's a rule I'm doing wrong/whether people have noticed this phenomenon as well. With characters now separate units for all purposes, and 8th being the edition of the 9" charge, we've noticed an annoying feature of either characters failing to make their (separate) charge roll, and then the unit charges out of range of the character's buff, or vice versa, and the character gets chopped up by a full enemy unit while their buddies twiddle their thumbs.

The "Fix" to this promised by GW - heroic intervention - seems to be only useful on the defense. It'd be really nice if it applied on offense as well.

Has anyone else noticed this problem? Is there a way around it other than "don't go for 9" charges after deep strike with character buffed units"?

Honestly, don't go for 9" charges after deep strike with character buffed units.

That's a risk you're taking. 9" is a long charge on an average 7 roll, and you're just taking for granted that you can do it twice.

If you're not ready for the desync, then don't do it. Charge from deep strike is not supposed to be easy. Your situation is intended.

It happens, spend a CP to reroll.

Youn wrote:
You still move on a charge success or failure.

If you charge a squad first. Use your CP if they fail the charge.

Then Charge your character. If you get within 3" of the opposing unit. You will be able to pile in during the fight phase. So, in reality, your character only needs to roll a 6.

You don't move. The rules are available, no need to slum it with old rumors anymore.

Characters get an additional 3" to move into combat if a nearby unit has moved in. Is that not enough to solve your problems?

Yup, reread the rule. Hence, the edit on my post.

Youn wrote:
Yup, reread the rule. Hence, the edit on my post.

Edited my own as well then.

Yeah, I would guess the best way to do it is Charge the unit that deep struck with the character. Then attempt the charge on the character.

If the character fails but he squad makes it in, then you fight with the squad. If the character makes it in but the squad doesn't. You hope the squad catches up.

If both make it in, your good.

On the next turn you can move both their full distance toward the enemy and charge. The character has a very good chance at that point of just being able to pile in without a charge. Avoiding the overwatch entirely.

If the unit failed its charge, you can decide not to charge with the character.

Pink Horror wrote:
If the unit failed its charge, you can decide not to charge with the character.

I was just about to ask this. So it's not like shooting when you must declare all your targets first? You don't have to declare 'charging with unit and leader' before you roll?
If so, that's an easy solution. Roll for the unit first and if they make it then roll for the leader. If they don't make it in, then forego rolling with the leader if he's gonna get mulched by your opponent. Doing this, plus the option of using your CP preroll on a failed roll makes it more reliable.

To add to this, I generally wouldn't use a CP reroll unless one of my dice was a 5 or 6 on the charge. Odds just too meagre at that point.

 benlac wrote:

Pink Horror wrote:
If the unit failed its charge, you can decide not to charge with the character.

I was just about to ask this. So it's not like shooting when you must declare all your targets first? You don't have to declare 'charging with unit and leader' before you roll?
If so, that's an easy solution. Roll for the unit first and if they make it then roll for the leader. If they don't make it in, then forego rolling with the leader if he's gonna get mulched by your opponent. Doing this, plus the option of using your CP preroll on a failed roll makes it more reliable.

To add to this, I generally wouldn't use a CP reroll unless one of my dice was a 5 or 6 on the charge. Odds just too meagre at that point.

The unit and the leader are two separate units. You have to declare everything a single unit will shoot at or fight with, not everything your whole army is going to do.

Edit: I also want to point out, if the unit succeeds its charge roll and you can spare fighting with a few members of the unit, you can leave a conga line back to the character to keep benefiting from an aura that affects the whole unit.

I've had this issue in a few test games and have had to adjust accordingly; more patience and not charging off of deep strike.

More hilarious is when a transport makes its charge roll but the unit it was transporting doesn't.

Youn wrote:
It happens, spend a CP to reroll.

A 9" charge has around a 28% chance of succeeding. If you reroll the lowest die, this only goes up to around a 45% chance. Not really the most reliable thing. You really need some sort of special charge rule to pull of deep strike charges. I've been considering using an Eversor assassin for just this reason, as they get a 3d6 charge.

 MagicJuggler wrote:
More hilarious is when a transport makes its charge roll but the unit it was transporting doesn't.

RIP