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Hey everyone, so I played a 1000 points game today at my FLGS to try out some equipment switch for my Mechanicus and my opponent built a list on the spot for his Marines. His list was made of Guilliman, Cypher, Bjorn the Fell-Handed, Harald Deathwolf, and something like 25-30 Marines I think. I think he built his list with two Batallion Detachments but I'm not sure anymore, he had 10 CP, 3 base, 3 from Guilliman, 1 from Harald or Bjorn, and the rest from his detachment. Now that I look at it there seems to be a mistake in its composition but whatever.

We played a game where each side had an objective. He placed 5 of his Marines on his point and made the rest arrive in Reserves all along the game. His HQs were all packed up front and ready to go towards me in a single force.

Well I'll be damned but I got my butt handed to me. Alright I made some deployment mistakes, and I believed his characters would die faster but some had 2++ saves or rerollable saves and whatever, and I had some bad rolls, so in the end I killed a few Marines and Harald, then all my army was vanished. He could tank with the characters he wanted because I only had three snipers so I had to shoot the closest character if I wanted to shoot them, and it was the one with the 2++ against shooting attacks (wth is that save), so he quickly got me in melee where I wanted to try my Kastelan Robots with fists (not so great against that list by the way). Also he consolidated Guilliman into one of my vehicle after killing another character in melee, locking him in CC, can he do that ?

Okay that was a pretty small game and I totally underestimated these characters but really, could it be potentially that powerful to run character-heavy lists ? Looking back at it, even if I just deployed in a corner to shoot at him he would've still arrived in CC to mop to floor with my cyborgs' bodies. Has anyone else tried the same lists, or have a thought on this ?

I don't think any of them have rerollable saves. Your opponent could have used a CP to re-roll one save per phase. Harald has a 3++ and an ability that adds 1 to his saving throws against ranged attacks. It's not clear to me if this is intended to work on his invulnerable save.

Yes, you can consolidate into another unit after a fight. You can often consolidate into another unit even if you didn't kill the one you're fighting. That unit is then going to be eligible to fight in the same fight phase, though.

The easy answer to characters is mortal wounds. These characters are all very expensive per wound. Smite would be really useful.

Hmm I'll go check the Index, he's usually right on the rules but a new edition can bring mistakes.

Unfortunately my only sources of Mortal Wounds were my snipers, and I plan on adding Sisters of Silence later in my lists so Psykers would be a bad idea for me. Got to say, my list is very TAC but that kind of list was unexpected to me haha

Someone in the Chaos thread posted a list that he used with 9 Nurgle Chaos Daemon Princes and Be'lakor.

Very nasty ...

I wonder if it's more powerful in small points games or in average/big ones. You really need anti-tank weaponry to deal with the guys I had to face, it's really hard at small points.

Considering those 4 characters cost 906 points with Bjorn's cheapest loadout, leaving only 94 points for "25-30 marines," I would say you need to make sure people are actually using the right point values, lol.


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Also, you have to deploy half of your units during deployment, and you are free to target the characters other than Harald in shooting.

In general my point is you guys weren't playing the game correctly so you should try it again with the right points and rules and see how it goes.

I think lists with 4 or so HQs will be pretty common, but i don't think that the big cost named ones will be used together that often.

Hmm yeah after recalculating it looks like he had way too much points. I'll ask him next time I see him.

Yeah he had 5 units/characters on the table and 3 or so in reserves, no problems there.

As for the targeting, no I can't target any characters beyond the one being the closest to me, the rules says so. "A Character can only be chosen as a target in the Shooting Phase if they are the closest visible enemy unit to the model that is shooting."

That's only true for characters below a certain number of wounds, though - I think 10 - which most of his characters would have exceeded.