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So berserkers get 2 attacks +1 for chains sword at str 5 and attack twice in every fight phase for a total of 6 attacks each at 16 points per model.... do i have that correct

Yes but remember that the two fights for bezerkers happen seperately, i.e they attack once when they charge and a second time when you activate them in the fight phase, so there is a chance your opponent could attack you in between the two bezerker fights.

 mrhappyface wrote:
Yes but remember that the two fights for bezerkers happen seperately, i.e they attack once when they charge and a second time when you activate them in the fight phase, so there is a chance your opponent could attack you in between the two bezerker fights.

Even so that's insane damage for a 16 point model.

Yes they are terribly nasty, I had a game yesterday against a DE player in which my Khorne bezerkers mowed through 4/6 of his army on their own (my opponent made the mistake of charging my bezerkers.

If your opponent isnt canny this ed then Bezerkers will dominate.

I have an added question to this that plaguing my gaming group at the minute:

When a unit charges it states that the charging unit must direct all of its attacks towards the unit that it charged, in the berzerkers kill a unit outright with their first set of attacks, consolidates to within an inch of another unit can they then activate and swing at the second unit or because they charged this turn they can't swing because they aren't attacking the unit they initially charged?

 Mantle wrote:
I have an added question to this that plaguing my gaming group at the minute:

When a unit charges it states that the charging unit must direct all of its attacks towards the unit that it charged, in the berzerkers kill a unit outright with their first set of attacks, consolidates to within an inch of another unit can they then activate and swing at the second unit or because they charged this turn they can't swing because they aren't attacking the unit they initially charged?

I recently ran into this issue as well. The rulebook states "Any unit that charged or has models within 1" of an enemy unit can be chosen to fight in the Fight phase." By my reading, this means, on the turn the Berzerkers charged, if they wipe out the initial unit they charged with their first set of attacks, they would still be eligible to activate later on in the Fight phase since they charged.

However, the rules also state that "Models that charged this turn can only target enemy units that they charged in the previous phase." Reading these two sentences together, it seems that the Berzerkers in your (and my) scenario would be eligible to activate again after wiping the first enemy unit out with their first set of attacks. This would allow them to pile in 3" (ending closer to the nearest enemy model). Then, whether or not they may swing again will depend on whether the second enemy unit was declared as a target of the Berzerkers' initial charge. This may very well result in the Berzerkers getting to swing first twice since the second enemy unit is not eligible to be activated until the Berzerkers pile in into them (and swung first).

This is my understanding of the rule interactions, at any rate. It's far from clear, so I'm open to other interpretations or positions.


Edit: Just spotted yakface's previous response, seems like he agrees with my understanding of things.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/727842.page#9427998

I am still confused about the rule, mostly because I have been hearing other people explain it different ways.

Blood for the Blood God states: "This unit can fight twice in each Fight phase, instead of only once."

What I think this means is, regardless of whether or not they charged, Berzerkers always get to fight twice in the fight phase. Is that correct?

With regards to piling in, my understanding is this is treated as movement, and you can never move within 1 inch of an enemy unit. This would mean the pile in move does not allow them to assault a different unit unless that unit was already in close combat with the Berzerkers.

Does that sound right?

You are already within 1" of an enemy model because you are fighting them so consolidating would allow you to move within an inch of another unit providing the consolidation also brought you closer to the original charged unit.