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Hey folks, just watched a youtube video of a dude going over the forgeworld Astartes index book. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdI07qjMfn0&feature=youtu.be&t=1133

Most tanks have gotten 4 times their 7th edition hullpoints over to wounds (example Land Raider from 4HP to 16W).
Then i noticed Baneblades and Fellblades are at 26 wounds they used to be 12 hull points. I mean a Fellblade at 700 something points at 26 wounds is hell of alot of eggs in one basket. Im so in love with this tank its borders on perversion and im very close to placeing my FW order. But id REALLY hate for the model to collect dust because it cant ever earn itself in a semi-competitive enviroment.



What do you guys think? Am i being a paranoid cheese neckbeard or am i on to something?

Oh and if any Baneblade owners have tried their big girls out in 8th, how did it go?

All of what I have eard about Baneblades in 8th is that they are very strong. I don't know about the variants tought.

Baneblades aren't bad at all, from what I hear.

The Fellblade, on the other hand, is only legal in a Super-Heavy detachment with two other non-relic LoW due to the way the Relic rule is worded, so it's almost unusable in normal games.

The Chaos version is pretty awesome though because it doesn't have the same limitation.

Baneblade family of tanks can be a terror up close. With up to 8 heavy flamers (8D6 S5 -1 autohits) on top of their other punishing armaments they can do some serious work. On top of that they can deal out the pain in close combat with something like 9 attacks and the ability to fire the main gun even while engaged in combat.

No idea about the faux-baneblade marine version.

I run a tank company of baneblades, and they are terrifying for their points, though of course enough anti-big-stuff can deal with them.

Fellblades are far far more durable (T9 with a 2+ save) and are even better against other big stuff (e.g. baneblades) but are actually considerably worse against hordes of tiny models, which I suspect will be the meta in this edition, due to a lack of small-scale secondary weapons.

Allright, guess that settles it, im gonna get me a fellblade for my wolves. And yeah, probably some whirlwinds aswell to deal with all the chaff in the new meta

The relic rules says you cant have more Relic units than non relic units in a detachment, couldnt you argue if you took a simple Superheavy Auxillary Detachment with only 1 spot for one unit, that would be it?. Either way needing to field two titans or a horde of HQ choices to unlock a fellblade sounds waaaaay out of wack.

 Brutallica wrote:
Allright, guess that settles it, im gonna get me a fellblade for my wolves. And yeah, probably some whirlwinds aswell to deal with all the chaff in the new meta

The relic rules says you cant have more Relic units than non relic units in a detachment, couldnt you argue if you took a simple Superheavy Auxillary Detachment with only 1 spot for one unit, that would be it?. Either way needing to field two titans or a horde of HQ choices to unlock a fellblade sounds waaaaay out of wack.

I actually have a huge issue with that as well. Personally I would allow you to use one in a Superheavy Auxiliary Detachment, but if you're as much in love with superheavies as I am you can use Baneblades / other Lords of War in a Superheavy Detachment or just like, 3 cheap HQs (company commanders?) in a Supreme Command detachment.

Personally, bringing a Superheavy Detachment with 2x Stormswords w/4x Twin Heavy Flamers will do well to keep the chaff off of the Fellblade while the Fellblade deals with the bigguns.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Brutallica wrote:
Allright, guess that settles it, im gonna get me a fellblade for my wolves. And yeah, probably some whirlwinds aswell to deal with all the chaff in the new meta

The relic rules says you cant have more Relic units than non relic units in a detachment, couldnt you argue if you took a simple Superheavy Auxillary Detachment with only 1 spot for one unit, that would be it?. Either way needing to field two titans or a horde of HQ choices to unlock a fellblade sounds waaaaay out of wack.

I actually have a huge issue with that as well. Personally I would allow you to use one in a Superheavy Auxiliary Detachment, but if you're as much in love with superheavies as I am you can use Baneblades / other Lords of War in a Superheavy Detachment or just like, 3 cheap HQs (company commanders?) in a Supreme Command detachment.

Personally, bringing a Superheavy Detachment with 2x Stormswords w/4x Twin Heavy Flamers will do well to keep the chaff off of the Fellblade while the Fellblade deals with the bigguns.

Heheh yeah i could do that! But buying 1 Fellblade is tough enough on my budget. Besides going full tank, i dont think Arjac Rockfist and my wulfen will forgive me, they might even roll badly one day

Regarding relic rule, atleast my club have very lenient players like you, i will never take stuff like that for granted.

 Brutallica wrote:
Allright, guess that settles it, im gonna get me a fellblade for my wolves. And yeah, probably some whirlwinds aswell to deal with all the chaff in the new meta

The relic rules says you cant have more Relic units than non relic units in a detachment, couldnt you argue if you took a simple Superheavy Auxillary Detachment with only 1 spot for one unit, that would be it?. Either way needing to field two titans or a horde of HQ choices to unlock a fellblade sounds waaaaay out of wack.

I've emailed forgeworld on the LOW / Relic interaction.

RAW that Super Heavy Auxiliary Detachment has more Relic LOW than non-Relic LOW ( 1 > 0 ) so your list isn't battleforged.

The only option to field as many or more super heavies is a Super Heavy Detachment, with 2 choices. The only option for <Chapter> LOW are Thunderhawks and Solkars... if the expectation is that you need 900 to 1500 pounds of resin to run a 109 pound tank especially since the Relic rule wasn't covered in the Spartan Spotlight. I picked up a Spartan for my wolves after that article and now I'm not sure it will ever hit the table.

I feel that they either need to exempt a single Super Heavy Auxiliary detachment from the Relic rule, drop the <Relic> restriction from the half dozen LOW entirely. Helllforged vehicles have no such restrictions.

The Relic rule states that no detachment may contain more relic units than non-relic units of the same battlefield role. That means neither the supreme command detachment nor the super-heavy auxiliary detachment can legally contain one, because you must have a non-relic lord of war in the detachment as well, and only the full-fat SHD has slots for that. Unfortunately, said detachment requires three LoW picks minimum - hence you'd have to resort to sticking a pair of non-relic LoW's in there with it, for which there are vanishingly few options if you want to stick with marines - only the Thunderhawk Transporter fits at 2k, unless you're playing ultramarines.

I'm sure this probably isn't the intent of the rule - it's a classic case of FW not thinking through the implications of a rule fully, probably - but until it gets FAQd (if ever) it's a case of relying on your opponents goodwill, which may or may not be a big deal.

I've used a Baneblade in one game. Personally it lacks firepower for its points. I did drive over a Nurgle Chaos Lord in close combat though (I assaulted him). But other than that IG accuracy really hampers their ability to earn their points back. My opponent realized this after its first turn of shooting and ignored it for the rest of the game. Just accepting the casualties it did cause. I think maybe used in multiples driving straight at your opponent each with 8 x heavy flamers might work. Also if you use one of the variants with a firing deck its a great spot for your expensive HWS to sit.

I'm pretty miffed at FW with the Relic rule. My Spartan and Fellblade can only go to war if escorted by Imperial Guard tanks. But Chaos can field as many as they want with no restrictions. WTF is that nonsense. Fortunately I have good friends, so if its a friendly game they would let me play one.

Baneblades are op

Run multiples; they won't die and kill everyone

3 at 2000 points